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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 17:16:14
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Hopefully Hyperion has made a huge donation to Toni Wilen


Sure, but hey, one day, maybe if you try very, very hard you and your colleagues are allowed to create something atractive for amigans, as well as Hyperion

Statement, in polish-> http://www.ppa.pl/forum/komentarze/31606/preorder-na-amigaos-4-1-final-edition/7#m454934

Its out of stock now, so probably 125 or more...Quote:
Hopefully Hyperion has made a huge donation to Toni Wilen

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@mr2

Yes selling a cheap OS running on cheap hardware sells better than combined with expensive hardware? Surprise

Then you say people running FE in emulation are AmigaOS users too? Fine then we can use the download numbers of AROS too

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Then you say people running FE in emulation are AmigaOS users too? Fine then we can use the download numbers of AROS too


You still must pay 30 EUR for AmigaOS, comparison to download is not entirely correct. I know at least one regular WinUAE/OS4 user: me (playing Populous2 in DosBox on OS4 in WinUAE - a little bit crazy combination ).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

Morphos has same FFS(2) sources afaik.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@mr2

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Statement, in polish-> http://www.ppa.pl/forum/komentarze/31606/preorder-na-amigaos-4-1-final-edition/7#m454934


then for the sake of clarity, an earlier post, before the 100 orders mark has been reached:
http://www.ppa.pl/forum/komentarze/31606/preorder-na-amigaos-4-1-final-edition/6

here are your numbers, a bit better than i remembered:

A1200/3000/4000 - 76
AmigaOne XE, SE and MicroA1 - 5
Sam 440 - 3
Sam 460 - 2
Amiga X1000 - 3
Pegasos 2 - 7

- you have about twenty os4 users in poland (likely including mos fans and devs, whom are known to own a copy, like krashan or so)

- and the rest is either amiga ppc accelerator owners, who will be but a few, leaving us with an overwhelming majority of casual uae users who ordered fe to see if it runs at all and as they realize how limited it is will forget it again.

which makes an assumption that os4 still has much less than 1000 active users rather likely.

btw, the rzookol (michal zukowski?) considerations of legality involved with running os4 on uae are actually rather serious. pirating accel rom may be as much an issue as pirating kickstart rom, if one doesnt own the actual hardware. that may be a reason, mos team refrains from that option.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@OlafS25

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Then you say people running FE in emulation are AmigaOS users too? Fine then we can use the download numbers of AROS too


by numbers aros functionality under uae is definitely better than os4. to name no ram or rtg limit. you can actually browse the net from there, which must be barely possible with os4 .

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cdimauro 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 17:54:17
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@Massi

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Massi wrote:
@cdimauro

I did read all your OS4 related articles and that is why I don' t trust you at all!

My previous #579 comment have proved the exact contrary. But you can always correct me if I was wrong, eh! I'm waiting for your reply.
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http://www.appuntidigitali.it/17050/amigaone-x1000-ritardi-costi-elevati-scarso-supporto-e-pessime-prestazioni/

Here for example you destroyed the young X1000 ... it is evident even from the headline ... how can you state "pessime prestazioni" = "very bad performances"

Maybe because it's the crude reality? I have to underline that my previous article talked about the AmigaOne X1000 taking only the few information available at the time, and as clearly shown on my #579 it was TOO MUCH OPTIMISTIC. Do you know the meaning of "optimistic", right?

After 15 (FIFTEEN) months I've written the next one, because the machine was released, and it was WELL BELOW the expectations. So, what would have you expected from me THEN? A monument to the failure?

But the most important and funny thing is that talking about the bad performances I used one source for the article (see the "recentissimi test" link), which you should be familiar with. This: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35495&forum=47

I don't remember your complains about this thread which appeared...on...THIS forum! You have written no comments there neither you have pointed your finger against the user that created this nice chart:



But, of course, you're snipe at me NOW only because you don't like me and what I've written. It's a personal question for me, the classic "ad hominem" attack.
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for the most powerful Amiga hardware ever created?

First, it's not an Amiga, but an AmigaOne.

Second, and more important, the performances remain ridiculous whatever label you want to attach to the machine (and you should know that only a sticker is needed to magically transform whatever thing into an "Amiga" or "AmigaOne").

Third, and as another user reported, the most powerful Amiga hardware is/was the Commodore Amiga Mini: http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/21/commodore-amiga-mini-pc-revealed-core-i7-16gb-of-ram-and-an-op/

Fourth, the lese majesty crime doesn't exist anymore. Critics to the Amigas, AmigaOnes, etc. were allowed (freedom of speech, do you it?), whatever a fanboy like you can say and claim against.
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And I could continue for hours but I don' t want to advertise such articles anymore.

For me you can continue as much as you want, since you're clearly showing each time how much fanatic and the lier that you are.
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OS4 people here are warned.

Of what? Do you think that people here aren't grown enough to judge themselves? Are you warning them about the ugly and evil wolf which can show them... well... some FACTS for which they can be scared about?

I confess you a little secret: there aren't little children here to protect. There's only one baby which is screaming because someone "touched" his little toy...

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@cdimauro

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Third, and as another user reported, the most powerful Amiga hardware is/was the Commodore Amiga Mini


A-Eon probably sold more X1000s than CommodoreUSA Amiga Minis. Overpriced and underpowered AmigaOne had more sustainable marketing strategy in this case. How ironic.

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cdimauro 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor: you should know that Barry Altman died.

Anyway, since we're just talking about labels, quantities don't matter. It's a fact that the Commodore Amiga Mini is the most powerful Amiga ever released, and by... Commodore.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 18:36:24
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@cdimauro

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and by... Commodore.


good one.

But we all know "that" Commodore lost the lawsuit to C=Holdings B.V. and has no valid claims whatsoever on anything Commodore related.

So let's all cheer on the latest Commodore savior to do absolutely nothing with the IP, shall we? (evil grin)

and as Rebecca says:

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falsely claiming continued TM ownership leads to liability


Source

The more important line imo:

Quote:
the mere fact that the Commodore products Asiarim advertised were once authentic does not mean that they continued to be when the trademark owner, C=Holdings, withdrew its permission.


So, that model claimed now as part of Amiga Games Inc. rich history (did I say that with a straight face?) isn't really a Commodore Amiga atm. Heh.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 18:40:58
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@cdimauro

Now thats a interesting benchmark, you have like one data point in that chart for X1000 from Tommysammy.
it does not say what type of browser that was used was it OWB, MuiOWB or Oddyssey?

Is it the slower MuiOWB, or the bit faster Odyssey or super fast old OWB?

If you look at cha05e90 benchmark you look at what difference it makes between slowest and fastest.

Way not compare mplayer now that we have updated it

way is important to collect more then one data point, see individual differences

Between the Sam440 systems, Kimmok and cha05e90 MuiOWB on Sam440 is about the same, but look difference between this two and Spectre660 benchmark.

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damocles 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 18:58:53
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@pavlor

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A-Eon probably sold more X1000s than CommodoreUSA Amiga Minis.


Based on what facts are you making this claim?

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 19:02:05
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@damocles

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Based on what facts are you making this claim?


Where are all the Amiga Mini users? Forum questions? Youtube videos? ANYTHING? Their low profile is... surprising.

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cdimauro 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 19:05:43
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@number6

Quote:

number6 wrote:
@cdimauro

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and by... Commodore.


good one.

But we all know "that" Commodore lost the lawsuit to C=Holdings B.V. and has no valid claims whatsoever on anything Commodore related.

So let's all cheer on the latest Commodore savior to do absolutely nothing with the IP, shall we? (evil grin)

and as Rebecca says:

Quote:
falsely claiming continued TM ownership leads to liability


Source

The more important line imo:

Quote:
the mere fact that the Commodore products Asiarim advertised were once authentic does not mean that they continued to be when the trademark owner, C=Holdings, withdrew its permission.


So, that model claimed now as part of Amiga Games Inc. rich history (did I say that with a straight face?) isn't really a Commodore Amiga atm. Heh.

#6

Thanks for the clarification. So the Amiga Mini was only... an Amiga.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote:
@cdimauro

Now thats a interesting benchmark, you have like one data point in that chart for X1000 from Tommysammy.
it does not say what type of browser that was used was it OWB, MuiOWB or Oddyssey?

Is it the slower MuiOWB, or the bit faster Odyssey or super fast old OWB?

It was the slower MuiOWB, as he reported: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35495&forum=47&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#660100

But the same browser was used on other machines, as well.

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If you look at cha05e90 benchmark you look at what difference it makes between slowest and fastest.

Way not compare mplayer now that we have updated it

Have some link?
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way is important to collect more then one data point, see individual differences

Absolutely.
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Between the Sam440 systems, Kimmok and cha05e90 MuiOWB on Sam440 is about the same, but look difference between this two and Spectre660 benchmark.

Are you talking about the same browsers thread?

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damocles 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 19:13:33
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@number6

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But we all know "that" Commodore lost the lawsuit to C=Holdings B.V. and has no valid claims whatsoever on anything Commodore related.


Except that Barry had a extensive deal with C= Holdings which was Leo was talking about when he was talking something very big was going to happen. Misfortune had it the law suit against Asia Rim which had to be completed first, lasted longer then Barry had to live.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Now thats a interesting benchmark,


JS implementation dependent. As I wrote many times before: I never believe in benchmarks I didn´t forged myself.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 19:24:02
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@damocles

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Except that Barry had a extensive deal with C= Holdings


True, but there is still no fact in evidence that CUSA obtained a new license to distribute from Mssrs. Ebben and Hoogstrate of C=Holdings. B.V.

If you have any public information that says otherwise, I'd be interested in seeing it.

The fact that the parent companies' website still has not been brought up to par doesn't speak well for any effort taking place, imo.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 19:55:38
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@wawa
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...for the sake of clarity....

Quote:
...you have about twenty os4 users in poland...


I'm very tired of your constant twisting facts and lets say it, lies, to fit your agenda. Here is a list of OS4 users who bothered to register in AmigaOne Forum.

http://forum.amigaone.pl/amigaos-f3/baza-uzytkownikow-amigaos-4-w-polsce-t635.html

Note only users, not registrations. Very few (11?) users with emulator ONLY...When you add these ca 100 copies bought to run in WinUAE you have a closer look how it looks in Poland.

X5000 1,
X1000 7,
MicroAOne 1,
AOne500/SAM460 5,
Peg2 11,
AOne 3,
SAM440 20
Plus classic, plus emulator, plus maybe very few unknown, silent users...

But I'm sure that you or somebody else will try to twist and distort this image again.


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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@cdimauro

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since you're clearly showing each time how much fanatic and the lier that you are


lier??? What language is it?

Beyond your articles against OS4, what is your contribution to whatever Amiga system? Ever developed a real project? Or at least something useful for the community (not just words bla bla bla)?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

He was member of late Tina team. That speaks about his skills and ambitions.

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