I nearly backed it.

I watched the video thinking it could widen the Amiga as a brand.

She had me until she said, patronisingly "Who has an Amiga these days?"

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A new "trend" WRIT should be aware of, as if they don't have enough problems...

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WASHINGTON - Federal regulators are going after people who raise money online through crowdfunding sites like Kickstarter and GoFundMe but don't follow through on their promises.

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@number6

I know this is not in your super thread but figured I would post it here. Someone over on Investor Hub has posted about an exchange with Writ about this player.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=117006515

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I am concerned about this kickstarter. Without backing I am unable to comment on the page. And I am not confident in backing so I am coming here to post this. I sent a question to them with some queries on parts of their kickstarter. A brief summer of which. -Why they are having a kickstarter when the parent company gets money from selling stocks. Surely the parent company, which is doing very little other then retro games, can fund this. - Do they have a license from the Kickstart ROM owners for use in their player. - What is this console they mention in their top tier reward. - Why they claim to have ties with nascar team yet that team does not show any of their branding on this seasons race cars or uniforms. Here is their response. "Retro Infinity Inc. & Amiga Games Inc. says: Hello, We recently posted some FAQs which included a couple of your good questions. Our parent company owns several operating companies with various financial structures for each, and management has chosen KickStarter as a way to fund this particular project. Yes, we have licences from the original hardware and software manufacturers. Additionally we have worked with the original game publishers, and in some cases developers themselves, to license and/or buy the rights to individual games. We will be able to send you a picture of the console over the next few days. RWR does not have any sponsored cars with the Company during the 2015 race season. We have an arrangement that was concluded in 2014 that will allow us to deliver the KickStarter rewards that are listed in our campaign." I am not willing to throw money at these people based on this response. To be frank I am concerned that even if they get to their goal nothing will come of it and no one will get their rewards. The main issue for me is the fact they seem to be dodging the Kickstart ROM issue. As a long term Amiga fan I know nothing can be done with the Amiga games unless they have these ROMs. I am also concerned, looking through this forum for days, that nothing has been mentioned about this "console" in the top tier reward. Surely this in its self would be news worthy. Which makes me think this could be nothing but a cheap Chinese Android TV Stick system or even some very cheap and utterly useless tablet. I thought I would post this here for investors. Thank you for you time

So what is this console then? And as we have seen there seems to be more evidence against Writ licensing kickstart ROMs than what Writ claim.

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Let's look at how mcb of Cloanto handled the "mere mention" of the Commodore Smartphone people using an emulator:

Source with direct link to statement quoted

There has been no similar statement from Cloanto about the Amiga Games Inc./Retro Infinity Inc. project coming from WRIT.

Given the publicity over 2 years, it's nigh on to impossible to claim that Cloanto is unaware of the WRIT project.

Therefore, either the project is known by mcb to not be a conflict with what he sees as his rights OR...the recently referred to "co-existence agreement" with Amiga Inc. prevents the making/release of a statement concerning same.

Source concerning agreement

I don't see any 3rd option here. Do you?

Thanks for the post. I don't see who (at the parent company WRIT) drafted this reply. I also would not mind a direct link to these "FAQS", since this is getting far too obtuse.

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@number6

The FAQ mentioned is at the bottom of the kickstarter campaing page:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1863001882/retro-infinity-player?ref=nav_search

I didn't really understand your use of the word obtuse there. Dull? Between 90 and 180 degree angle? Slow person?

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Thanks. I thought he was referring to their home sites, and not the kickstarter itself.

"obtuse" - "not sharp, acute, or pointed; blunt in form." = vague when used in terms of speech. Far too many synonyms. Next time I'll stick with vague. heh.

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The main issue for me is the fact they seem to be dodging the Kickstart ROM issue. As a long term Amiga fan I know nothing can be done with the Amiga games unless they have these ROMs.

I don't think you need to licence the original kickstart ROM: AROS ROM should be enough to run most A500 games.

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I want to remind people that Kickstarter is not a store.
I pledged towards four projects and only received two of them.
Therefore my success rate is at 50% for receiving kickstarter projects.

There is a failure rate for kickstarter projects.

One of the kickstarter stories that came back was, 'I trusted someone in China with the money and they didn't manufacture or give back the money.'

@TheAMIgaOne

Last thing I want to support is to get games on a mobil device.

give me a modern amiga and I will support it.

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number6 wrote: @CritAnime Let's look at how mcb of Cloanto handled the "mere mention" of the Commodore Smartphone people using an emulator: Source with direct link to statement quoted There has been no similar statement from Cloanto about the Amiga Games Inc./Retro Infinity Inc. project coming from WRIT. Given the publicity over 2 years, it's nigh on to impossible to claim that Cloanto is unaware of the WRIT project. Therefore, either the project is known by mcb to not be a conflict with what he sees as his rights OR...the recently referred to "co-existence agreement" with Amiga Inc. prevents the making/release of a statement concerning same. Source concerning agreement I don't see any 3rd option here. Do you? Thanks for the post. I don't see who (at the parent company WRIT) drafted this reply. I also would not mind a direct link to these "FAQS", since this is getting far too obtuse. #6

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37892&start=320&post_id=768714&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=44#768714

Possibly a preexisting licensee of AInc's transfer of copyright to Cloanto.
Not sure which option that would fall under. :)

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I don't see any 3rd option here. Do you?

Logical option would be assuming Cloanto not being owners
of Kickstarts but maybe those who got exclusive license for
those.Also , since H&P parts are not included in the deal that
can only point to Amiga Inc. as owners.Still no statement from
Cloanto that they own Kickstart ROMs.

As for games , those contain a lot copyrighted code so even if
Team 17 for example allows people to download from their site
that doesn't mean anyone can sell them at appstore without
their permission.

If anyone got to this seriously games would probably be ported
not bundled with emulator which would take effort.

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@Boot_WB

I wonder if it says "for Cinemaware titles" or for all titles.
But knowing Amiga Inc. number of people who got license
and from which shell company could be even more.

@thread

English Amiga Board not impressed and mentions comment deletions:

Retro Infinity Player Kickstarter

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Just wondering but if Cloanto licensed ROMs from
same Amiga Inc. that is part of neverending chain
of strange activities doesn't that make them "partner"
or is it just about public image ?

If they bought them now which I doubt didn't they give
money to those same people ?

Edit while I can , I didn't ask Number6.

My point being that I see no benefit to having "legal" source
of Amiga ROMs and system as opposed to not having any as
having one legal source make other sources illegal.

If we look at Capcom,Ninetendo,Sony,Neo-Geo etc. I don't see
them having legal source to download roms needed for emulation
yet people are building MAME cabinets or dedicated emulation
stations every day.All these emulators are included in most NG
Amiga like systems too so why is this situation "good" ?

Irony of it that most customers are those that have legal right
to download some of those things (if you own Amiga 500 you have
legal right to download Kick 1.3 and Wb 1.3 (or 1.2) same for any
other Amiga model.Internet sites can't verify that so it's not legal
for them to offer them but it's one of those Amiga like phenomenons.

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if you own Amiga 500 you have legal right to download Kick 1.3 and Wb 1.3 (or 1.2

I don´t think so. Acquiring ROM from own machine was always "tolerated", but downloading from internet never.

Although I have both A500 and A1200 I bought Amiga Forever too, it is nice package.

@pavlor

Making copy of CDs you bought is always tolerated too :P

What I though was :

What if somebody wanted to make something like UltimateKick
that would have some goodies inside like RTG and AHI support ,
USB stack , etc ...

So that person goes and license ROMs from Cloanto (which they
might or not approve) and then tries to sell them for example but
is tied by same restrictions as Cloanto which remain mystery.

I wasn't talking about Amiga Forever , there was no need to get
rights for Kicks and Workbench to create Amiga Forever , all
that was needed is WinUAE mostly.

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there was no need to get rights for Kicks and Workbench to create Amiga Forever

I fear I can´t get your point. ROMs/WB licence was/is one of main selling points of Amiga Forever package(s).

@pavlor

That was my point.