@PhantomInterrogative

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I'll probably switch to AROS or MorphOS x86. unless AmigaOS NG hardware has by that time a better cost to performance ratio.

dont expect the marketing practice to change as long as people rip off their leg to support it. if you intend to switch to mos or aros only for monetary reasons you could as well just give up entirely. instead it s a question what kind of philosophy is worth to be invested into, and this is the question you need to ask yourself.

@Birbo

do you have real informations we not have or just a firm believe?

@Birbo

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There are no official informations from ACube so far, right?

but the board was shown off (with linux), (in attempt of) generating hype. everybody who was around long enough knows, that you may present a photograph of a rusted nail, and speculations about how well os4 will run on it will immediately break off.

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They will not produce a board which is close in performance to SAM460 - that makes no sense at all.

maybe. except if the people will paint themselves happy and buy anyway, even if just to frame it and put on the wall in the basement.

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Tabor will be much faster. How? ACube will tell, as soon as developement has finished.

now is that just your "reasoning" or do you have any actual information to share with us?

@wawa

Over the past year, that is the question I've been asking myself. I've even dared to consider an x86 flavor of Linux (yes, I've used it before. At least it has printer support).

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@tonyw

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there are more in the pipeline, too...

Hopefully so, rumors would have it, and I'm loath to doubt the rather fanatical commitment made so far.
This however...nope not going there again.

We don't even have proof this was intended for us and not the industrial market.

@Hondo

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you and your fellow troll friends

Hmm... I never tried to fill that role, but if my intention was truly villainous my posts would have offended more people instead of getting them to think "Do I really want to spend my money on this?".

BTW - Couldn't care less what happens to Hyperion. I rather wish they'd sell their IP rights to A-eon (who, contrary to your opinion, I hold no malice against).

As to the community, we are doing fine.
We have multiple alternatives and one flub isn't going to kill us.

@Birbo

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Tabor will: 1. Be much faster than Sam460 (AmigaOS) 2. Be much cheaper than X5000

1st - only slightly (but it will be dual core)
2nd - At half the price, its still over valued

@Tomas

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It is about time you wake up. The chances of even making a healthy NICHE platform are long gone by now.

Tell that to A-Eon/Hyperion/Acube. A small handfull of companies who still belive it's worth investing in. They are Amigans all of them. One of them is luckily even a clever succesfull businessman who is a TRUE amigaholic! - you don't get better people supporting this platform. Even the original developers of the Amiga computer, are back helping out at various shows - come on don't you think it's a little bit great, and proves something good is going on?

Of course A-Eon/Hyperion wants faster hardware and a super duper OS - but they have to be realistic financially and try to establish a momentum again. And from there we can go further...and perhaps get the license for x86 etc.

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@Hondo

you have bought something from A-eon or Acube or at least "classic" using UAE?

@Birbo

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Tabor will be much faster. How? ACube will tell, as soon as developement has finished.

It's stupid to say something like that when you don't know

lets see what comes out of Amiwest and stop speculating

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@Birbo

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Birbo wrote: Tabor will: 1. Be much faster than Sam460 (AmigaOS)

Will it? Lets see. AMCC 460 does 2 operations/per cock per clock, e500v2 does 2.8. And it is higher clocked than AMCC460 1200 vs 1100MHz. Both have 32-32kb L1 cache and 256 kb L2 cache. For pure integer performance the P102x clearly leads here (2200MIPS vs. 3360MIPS).

Okay the P1022 is dual core, but OS4 does not use teh 2md core, hence ithis does not matter for the performance. If (a big big big if) OS4 onde day will come with proper SMP the 2nd core will of course cahnge the game, but yet it isn't there and it is not likely it will come in a narrow time frame.

But now the down side of the P1022. The lack of a compatible FPU. And the impact of a lacking compatible FPU is hard to measure, but WinUAE PowerUp may give a valid hint. On some applications teh impact wll be small other will crawl like hell. Dependig on your usage a Tabor board with OS4 will be up to 1.5 times as fast as a Sam (in case no FPU calculations are done) or oders slower (much much FPU calculations).

Lets sum it up: unless there is no proper SMP in OS4 (which is nowhere near) this board is _no_ big step forward in performance.

And it's really a pity since more or less the same board with a T104x wouldn't cost more but would dance circles around it. The P1022 is a retty bad choice.

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@Hondo

While Trevor is/was a successful buissnissman in a different field, that doesnt automatically transfer over to Amiga. Hes certainly taking his drive, knowhow when it comes to following a plan and having resources to support that plan.
But hes said quite clearly hes a fan of everything Amiga, and wanted the fastest AOS4 machine available. Considering AOS is PPC, thats the direction he went with.

When you are a Fan, or -aholic of any degree, you let your "feelings" color the decisionprosess.
It would probarly have been more wise to pour the money he have spent so far into transfering AOS to Intel chips, but as he alluded to in his latest speech, that would require constant updates to keep up with changing hardware.
So they stick with "custom" hardware since its a "serious" hobby.

I have fun tinkering with my A1200, adding hardware to it and lately putting it into a tower.
Ive spent far more money on it that is reasonable considering what I get out of it performancewise, but I have fun doing it.
A "pimped" A1200 with WB 3.1 can even be used as a main computer if you ignore the lack of dual monitors and other mainstream accomodations you take for granted these days.
on AOS4 you can defintly get by with it as a main computer, but there is still no doubt that you have to to view it as a hobby level investment.

When hardware crosses 1500-2000 euros I snap out of my nostalgic enduced dreamstate and start looking hard at what I get vs what I spend.
I could afford X1000/5000 easily right now, but yeah, not going to happen.

I still respect AeonKits/Acube efforts tho. They are giving people options if they want to join the AOS4 trail.
Personally Im going to stick to WB3.x and line up for the Apollo accelerator when its released for A1200 (hopefully in 2016 sometime).

@Hondo

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lets see what comes out of Amiwest and stop speculating

What will come out of AmiWest is just speeches unless people take advantage of the opportunity:

Please post questions for participants

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@OlafS25


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you have bought something from A-eon or Acube or at least "classic" using UAE?

Next month I will buy AmigaOS 4.1 final for classic and run it via UAE

Later on I will buy a used SAM or this new small mini-itx board. It will be great fun to be back playing with the new AmigaOS via both software and hardware.

Wow i'm looking forward to see all the new stuff since 3.9

If I had the money I would buy every single machine A-Eon/Acube makes just for the fun of it - and of course to support them trying to resurrect the Amiga platform.

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@Hondo

If you have fun with anything, be it hardware or whatnot; then great!

That said, instead of buying every piece of hardware you can find; maybe spend a fair share of your money on software? Hardware is just a expensive paperweight unless you have developers producing bits and bytes for it.
So buy one machine and buy/donate to the software developers is my suggestion.

@Hondo

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It's stupid to say something like that ...

While I DO agree with you that performance is an unknown factor, don't you think telling people they are "stupid" or that they should "shut up" is a bit much?

And you've made they mistake of assuming that if we aren't with you, we are against you and I can assure you that IS NOT the case for the majority of us questioning this.

@Zylesea


It would be a good entry level board for OS4.2. With Gallium3D the GPU could do video decoding I think, as well as TCL for games which would take a lot of the burden off the FPU. And SMP would make the second core usable which would be a game changer as you say.

Maybe this board is a while off and designed to run OS4.2. Or maybe it's another stupid mistake like putting the xena chip in the X5000 after it was a total flop, or investing in warp3d, or making a P5020 and P5040 board instead of just a P5040 board? Only time will tell. It's Trevor's money and he can spend it as he chooses.

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@Hondo

welcome to the club then. I own "AmigaOS classic" too (not yet installed though)

people here and on other threads have critisized processor choice and the high price and that is valid. Others have explained here already when this will affect software and how they see it overall. When first people own it we will see how is reality and if the critics are right. It is also much too expensive even if the price would be for a full package including AmigaOS license. Most people will not buy it and outside the community it will be a very hard sell if you have to cite the specifications of it.

But as I wrote... some people collect everything amiga related so everybody can spend the money for what he wants to

As someone said... instead of "amiga for the masses" we today have "amiga for the classes"

a very expensive hobby if you need the original sticker

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@CarasGhant

Trevor is not a hardware specialist or electronic engineer I assume so he must rely on what is recommended to him propably. What I do not understand is why this processor was recommended. But as you wrote his money and his risk.

@Tomas

Why would one invest in MOS? Where is that road map? Forgive me but isn't MOS also only PPC???? Or is it available on cheap x86 or ARM and I missed something??

I am really sick of hearing this crap. Bear in mind I have 3 MOS licenses and run AOS4 and AROS as well.

When A-EON or ACUBE announce new PPC hardware targeted at AOS4 we are usually hit with a barrage of "how crap and expensive it is" and "fanboys etc" from sections of the MOS and AROS camps only to be followed later about great announcements as to the porting of MOS to the new hardware (Sam460 and X5000). Give us a break. If this hardware doesn't suit you for MOS move on and buy some other hardware that does. I for one will wait for an official announcement and decide on the facts presented as to whether this board suits my needs.

Each of us are what we are, most of us would like things to be better like they were in the past but with attitudes of just a few in all camps we will never move on and get there.

So freaking sad.

ace