@ChrisH

I see your points there and I must say I do agree. OpenGL ES and Nova included is certainly better than what we have now. It brings us closer to common GL standards. And that of course is a good thing. Something we need with hardware acceleration.

It would suit us better for now. I don't really expect full on OpenGL support. Even though it would be nice. And nicer one day. Even if such thinking seems footloose and fancy free.

@Hans

Thanks for Nova and the HD Radeon drivers, but I've a question regarding Nova and it's OpenGL ES wrapper.
For now it's the only up to date solution that we know of that is developed for OS4.
What will happen when the Gallium3D Forever will be out in the wild? It is supposed to be the standard way of doing 3D for OS4 and it's also available for Aros. Is Nova/OpenGL ES just a transition tech that will be dropped once Gallium3D/Mesa came out or is it here to last?

Kamelito

@kamelit0

I think that depends on performance of Gallium3D. If Nova is faster than Gallium3D, then it may be still commercially viable.

@pavlor

i hope nova will be faster than gallium mesa egl2 ... because on linux ppc the performances are not so good

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@tlosm

This week Daniel has sent us a new version of the ogles2.library which has huge increase in performance with Warp3D Nova, so very pleased with the work he has done with the OpenGL ES 2.0 project.

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great news

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kamelit0 wrote: @Hans ... What will happen when the Gallium3D Forever will be out in the wild? It is supposed to be the standard way of doing 3D for OS4 and it's also available for Aros. Is Nova/OpenGL ES just a transition tech that will be dropped once Gallium3D/Mesa came out or is it here to last?

No idea. My job is to make Warp3D Nova happen. I'll leave pondering questions like yours to A-EON and Hyperion.

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@amigakit

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@Hans

Thanks,
A-EON, Hyperion don't hesitate to answer if you can/want.
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@Rob

Here's a recent example of how the WSJ handles contriverssl stories.

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@kamelit0

I wouldn't want to speak for anyone else, including Hyperion. As far as I can see from the public announcements (including official Hyperion blog entries), Gallium3D has been in development for 6 years or more, so this is a notable investment in time and resources. It wouldn't make sense in my opinion to abandon such a lot of development.

In contrast, Warp3D Nova has only been one year in development and should serve as a credible solution to provide Shader based 3D graphics in the absence of Gallium3D.

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It wouldn't make sense in my opinion to abandon such a lot of development.

if an approach has not been successful after 6 years of development i wouldnt be surprised if the only reasonable choice was to abandon it. it wouldnt be a first time a project has been silently abandoned or given up half a way especially considering who is involved.

@amigakit

i think it is the right way, but have gallium working was the way for make faster porting.
In any way what will be needed next will be vdpau and va on os4 ... if we dont consider the smp

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@phoenixkonsole

> Exactly the problem here.. Wrong impressions. None of the moaning stars is a customer.

Yeah, but i guess it only is a problem if a "red" product is involved.

Needles to say it will be no problem when it comes to bashing IOS, Android, AROS or even MorphOS.

I put you on my watchlist and we will see how you play by your own rules.

@amigakit

Thanks
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@kamelit0

I don't think that Gallium will make Warp3D Nova obsolete because Nova will probably offer better performance, even when accessed through the OpenGL ES2 wrapper.

Developers will use whichever API (and that includes Warp3D/MiniGL) they feel best fits the needs for whatever software they are working. It's the same situation we have with Reaction and MUI where we have a mixture of different applications using either GUI toolkit. The only difference is that it will be less visible to the end user as to which API is being used.

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kamelit0 wrote: @Hans What will happen when the Gallium3D Forever will be out in the wild? It is supposed to be the standard way of doing 3D for OS4 and it's also available for Aros. Is Nova/OpenGL ES just a transition tech that will be dropped once Gallium3D/Mesa came out or is it here to last? Kamelito

Gallium is a not API that software developers will be using. It is a driver API. Mesa should be exposing OpenGL and OpenGL ES APIs (it does so for AROS). If done right, you should be able to exchange Mesa with Nova/Wrapper and OpenGL ES-based applications should not see any difference.

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@deadwood

Thanks for the clarification. If one stick to OpenGL ES 2 everything is fine.
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@deadwood

The render manager in the RadeonHD driver is able to handle Warp3D and Warp3D Nova drivers at the same time. The Gallium drivers will access the hardware in the same way so a wrapper wouldn't be necessary for hardware supported by Nova.

@wawa

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except when release is rushed because of reasons not related to the software as such

You've got to draw a line somewhere and say "this is good enough". This community is too small and very few projects have more than 1 programmer working on them. Software gets rushed when big teams work on it, and you expect what here? You've got to face the hobby reality here - even if the programmer is being paid for this sort of work (and I fail to see how anyone left on this market could afford paying a full time programmer for a year).