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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 7:50:58
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Given that 3.x has not made it perfectly clear what they intend to share with 4.x publically and yet 3.x has openly stated they are back porting from 4.x.....


mercurioblu: Is there any convergence plan in place between the 68k and the ppc AmigaOS versions? Do you have interaction and have access to AmigaOS 4.x source code?

Ignacio Gully: There are no plans of convergence. I mean there's a pool of code which we share because we have a common ground of course but we have different paths. The OS fork is one and the 68k is one so please understand that we are none of these branches is going to try to follow the other but just pursue their own goals and ways of doing things. The difference in architecture you can not compare a machine with a PPC processor running a 100 or thousands of MHz with a 68k processor running at for example 7 MHz and the same goes with the memory, with the IO throughput of the machines so the OS has to be adapted to better suit that architecture and even more than that what else do you have an interaction set. Yes, we do have. In fact there are 2 developers that come and go and actually work on both operating systems simultaneously. One is Olaf and the other is Massimo and they usually interchange ideas that we have and the OS 4 team has. They of course are allowed to pick up from our code we are allowed to pick up from theirs. Of course we as a courtesy ask politely but we are always granted that favor from them and of course they can do exactly the same. So please understand that our goals may be similar there is a pool of code that is quite similar but we are not going exactly to the same destination.

AmigaOS 3.2 Presentation and Installation with development team member (Gulliver answer @ 38:22)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIf3EyHGwRU


…and both their own respective copyrights in turn relies on the original Commodore copyrights.

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We don't need a new niche within a niche within a niche. I suggest these 2 new "camps" engage in some very specific exchange of dialog and soon.


The camps overlap and there is communication. The AmigaOS 3 and AmigaOS 4 APIs are becoming more similar but will never be the same. There are some parts of AmigaOS 4 which are only licensed for the PPC like P96 and RoadShow so can't currently be backported. Of course Hyperion could lose their AmigaOS license altogether turning both OSs into a legal mess perhaps like H&P AmigaOS 3.9.


A removal of Hyperion from the equation would mean a final removal of any “legal mess”. Cloanto did that once before to solve the H&P 3.9 mess by circumvent them and releasing “Workbench 3.X”…

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 20:32:11
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TRIPOS Quote:

…and both their own respective copyrights in turn relies on the original Commodore copyrights.


Sure, but that is not a problem for Hyperion while they have a practically unlimited perpetual worldwide license for AmigaOS 3.1.

TRIPOS Quote:

A removal of Hyperion from the equation would mean a final removal of any “legal mess”. Cloanto did that once before to solve the H&P 3.9 mess by circumvent them and releasing “Workbench 3.X”…


I'm not so sure a removal of Hyperion will solve all the Amiga legal problems. Hyperion may own AmigaOS software components (copyrights) built on top of AmigaOS 3.1 like H&P did with AmigaOS 3.9 components. For example, the new Reaction was purchased by Hyperion and integrated in AmigaOS 3.2. It would be possible to go back to an earlier AmigaOS base as Hyperion and Cloanto did but it could be another disappointing 2 steps forward 1 step back situation. Cloanto did not own all the Amiga Inc. IP at the time of their minor AmigaOS update so they may be able to do a more extensive AmigaOS update now. There are also potential Amiga legal disputes over AmigaStore, AmigaKit, etc. The acquiesce of the Amiga parties allowed IP squatters which need to be challenged to control the Amiga brand again.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 9-Jun-2021 0:15:07
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@matthey

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For example, the new Reaction was purchased by Hyperion and integrated in AmigaOS 3.2.


No it isn’t, even less integrated than it was in 3.9 as apparently no vital 3.2 component depend on ReAction classes. Just a few included third party tools.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
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MOTION to Quash NOTICE OF DEPOSITION OF EVERT CARTON AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

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