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Templario 
Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 3:23:06
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I make this question, if Haage&Partner has the source code and the name of Amiga OS 3.5 and 3.9 they can make a new version for 68k with great and new improvements and called Amiga OS 3.9SE because this OS works fine under WinUAE but it need improvements.

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BoingBear 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 4:11:08
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@Templario

Depends on what type of agreement Haage&Partner had with Amiga Inc.? If they were only contractors to produce those two versions of AmigaOS, then they probably don't have any rights to further develop and sell, or distribute AmigaOS3.5, or AmigaOS3.9, with or without any improvements.

Even though they may own the source code for SOME of the code used in AmigaOS3.5 & 3.9, they don't own all of the source code to AmigaOS, which they included in their work.

I think your question is rather silly and naive.

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Templario 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 4:31:46
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@BoingBear
some patches of 3th parties are unstables or difficult or apply or dangerous for the system, a version from the people that made these systems is better than current state of os for 68k.

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BoingBear 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 4:55:32
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@Templario

I don't disagree with you that 3.5 & 3.9 need improvements. I just disagree that Haage&Partner have any rights to make changes that you want and sell the changes as an updated version of AmigaOS3.x.

Look to Colanto or Hyperion for such improvements, as they both have the legal rights to do such work, or use the unofficial BoingBag3 & BoingBag4 patches, plus any other patches you can find from talented users who have worked on solving some of the problems with 3.5 & 3.9. Colanto has made small improvements to AmigaOS3.9 and sells it as AmigaOS3.x, or Workbench3.x, AFAIR. You should be asking them to develop further improvements to AmigaOS3.9, by sending your suggestions to them. I don't think that Hyperion Entertainment has any interest to spend money improving AmigaOS3.1, 3.5, or 3.9, as they have more work than they can handle already working on AmigaOS4.2, and improvements to AmigaOS4.1.

I don't know if Haage&Partner is still in business, but if they are, I doubt they have any interest in anything to do with the Amiga any longer.

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QuikSanz 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 5:14:25
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From what I understand they were not paid for the work and doubt they would be interested anyway.

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Rob 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 5:32:19
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@BoingBear

Cloanto's and Hyperion's minor updates are based on 3.1 and not 3.9.

@Templario

A-EON will be releasing their Enhancer package for 3.x at some point.

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tlosm 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 6:23:12
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@BoingBear
their website is upgraded i think they are in business... sed they left the amiga scene. they did great product in past for amiga amigaos included

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OlafS25 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 9:02:57
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@Templario

why? Why should they? Your question sounds like they would have announced it.

They do not have any interest in amiga anymore

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OlafS25 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 9:04:54
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@BoingBear

Haage & Partner is in business and I even talked to Mr. Haage a couple of times over the last years. I can assure you he has not the least interest in anything amiga related anymore. He has to earn money to pay his staff and earn his living...

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TRIPOS 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 9:23:16
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@Templario

AFAIK all licenses were killed and all such rights were revoked.

Cloanto's Workbench 3.X is what you are looking for!

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Rob 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 9:31:03
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@TRIPOS

Correct me if I'm wrong but Cloanto's updated ROMS and disks only have minor changes. Do Cloanto even have access to the 3.1 source or did they patch binaries to create their updates.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 12:59:41
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@Templario

H&P only had a license to distribute a product called "AmigaOS 3.9", and a license for the 3.1-Code included in that product. Both licenses were limited to (I think) 10 years, but had been cancelled prematurely by Amiga, Inc. anyway because of the Amithlon controversy. 99% of the improvements (pretty much anything except a few Reaction based preferences programs and the new installer which could display pictures, IIRC) was never owned by H&P but written by external developers and licensed to H&P. Those licenses were limited to 10 years too, i.e. they have long expired.

I contacted Jürgen Haage in 2005 or 2006 and asked if we could host the BoingBags on Aminet - even back then, he made it very clear that he's not interested in anything Amiga related and that he's no longer in a position to do anything with 3.x.

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Hypex 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 16:06:09
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@QuikSanz

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From what I understand they were not paid for the work and doubt they would be interested anyway.


I wonder who took the money? I would be interested in it.

I also paid for an OS3.9 with included TCP/IP stack and I got squat. They ripped me off with a Miami demo version.

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Templario 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 17:36:39
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@OlafS25
The money, you can the example with Hyperion and the OS4 for WinUAE.

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Templario 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 17:39:25
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@cgutjahr
I think that still they can ear money with Amiga, with their AmigaOS, StormC , etc.perhaps they need to know the people interest for their work, I shall buy a new Amiga OS for 68k.

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wawa 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 19:13:29
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@Templario

they dont want. period. if you dont believe it, go ahead and send them an email. im cetrain people have been spamming them about it before. simply stop repeatedly be phantasizing about things like that on forums. it is boring and counterproductive.

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Templario 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 20:21:38
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@wawa
Sorry but your words are strange in these forums always there are threads about these themes, software and hardware that never we see, but it is interesting because the current Amiga user has the things free or speak of other systems and its option to run Amiga NG.

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Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 21:24:36
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@Templario

Wawa's comment isnt strange considering cgutjahrs post where he refrences a spesific exchange which clearly rejects any dwvelopments in that direction.

I own AOS 1.3 3.0 3.1 and 3.9, but given the highly contested nature of its ownership, Ive come to accept that AROS is the way forward, in particular as a owner of a Vampire.
There are some serious performance issues that needs to be adressed, but atleast the legal nightmare of AOS 3.x wont haunt it.

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Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 21:47:31
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@Overflow
Is there someone good patch to use mouse pointers of 256 or more colours? for AmigaOS 3.9.

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wawa 
Re: Why Haage&Partner makes a new version of Amiga OS 3.9x?
Posted on 23-May-2017 22:16:33
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@Templario

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Sorry but your words are strange in these forums always there are threads about these themes, software and hardware that never we see, but it is interesting because the current Amiga user has the things free or speak of other systems and its option to run Amiga NG.


thats exactly what im referring to. hollow talk. but if you enjoy it and see it as main purpose of these forums, then carry on. sorry for interruption.

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