@AP

Taken from Daniel's post on facebook....

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Note to all those who still think that the A1222 Tabor is slow or at least not significantly faster than the sam460ex: This is nonsense. Forget all those synthetic benchmarks or your wild speculations, that's all crap. Let's take a look at a real-world program, one that's a true CPU/RAM/Cache-killer: Current Tower57-build runs at 55 fps where the sam460ex reaches (hardly) 30 fps. Both systems are equipped with identical RadeonHD SIs, identical window rendering, etc.; the game is 99% CPU / RAM bound (software rendering) with quite a lot FPU code (Tabor version uses native SPE code of course). Turns out that this little thing is even faster than I estimated some months ago :)

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from my reply on facebook

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cool tower57 become a benchmark like battlefield 4

...only amigans make it possible

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@Antique

Tabor has 1.5x integer and 2/3 FPU performance of SAM460, so such result with native binary really is not surprising. Most of us would be more interested in performance of current 3D games (Quake, Jedi Knight etc.) under FPU emulation. That is why I asked for a simple Quake 3 benchmark.

Someone should port good old sysinfo to OS4.1 ... More Amigans using their Amiga to just stare at the length of the red bar.

On a more serious note ... what's with the benchmark fetish regarding OS4.1 machines ? Who's going to care outside our community how fast it is ( or not is ) while more or less every available software there is for OS4.1 will runs just fine ( and fast ).

For instance I am now typing this message from an A1200T with 50mhz 060 for no good reason ... works just fine, will be fine with a Tabor also, trust me.

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@Simon

Os4 is not the problem for the tabor or for the X5000 ... the problem of this machine are the machine self. Im sure if hyperion will made os4 for rasperrypi model B (the first one) it will become the best os for this toy.

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Antique Tabor has 1.5x integer and 2/3 FPU performance of SAM460, so such result with native binary really is not surprising. Most of us would be more interested in performance of current 3D games (Quake, Jedi Knight etc.) under FPU emulation. That is why I asked for a simple Quake 3 benchmark.

But if a binary compiled for the normal fpu runs on the Tabor it gets a dramatic speed penalty. So all in all Tabor w/o fpu and specially comiled fpu versions will run nicely, the others will run rather slowly.
It's a mixed bag.

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@tlosm

I don't know ... is the Tabor the real problem ? I think there needs to be a lot more of demanding software before cpupower becomes a problem in the current situation. Look at the Vampire ... loads of 68k power but why ? We can run Doom faster ? Quake3 gives a higher benchmark ? Woohoo.

And yes OS4 for ARM would be nice. I know the question would be " what software are you going to run on that " ... my best answer would be that there was no Amiga software in 1985 either. If you never take a bet, you never win either.

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@Simon

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my best answer would be that there was no Amiga software in 1985 either. If you never take a bet, you never win either.

Amiga offered something unique in 1985 and was a decade ahead of the opposition. This is not the case now. AmigaOS has become the reason for everything and with no legacy support it would just be an exercise in opening and closing 'drawers' (Windows for the rest of the world) and messing around with cleanup and snapshot all!

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Amiga offered something unique in 1985 and was a decade ahead of the opposition. This is not the case now.

...yes now is exactly the opposite and soon the decade will be two compared the opposition.

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@Simon

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Quake3 gives a higher benchmark ? Woohoo.

No, question is whether Quake is playable at all...

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my best answer would be that there was no Amiga software in 1985 either. If you never take a bet, you never win either.

Commodore was one of the main computer companies back then. You can´t expect the same third party support for Amiga now.

@Simon

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Simon wrote: @tlosm I don't know ... is the Tabor the real problem ? I think there needs to be a lot more of demanding software before cpupower becomes a problem in the current situation.

If you don't use your machine not only for the sake of it and a bit of retro stuff, cpu power is a massive issue. My G4@1.67Ghz is way to weak for my generic use case:
Webbrowsing, pdfs (they can be very demading), video replay, photo processing, hollywood stuff,..

Still I use the G4 for all this stuff, but I can't wait to replace it with an i7 or Ryzen once MorphOS supports that. Unfortunately that will take quite bit of time to happen...

A Tabor is a toy board - nothing to take serious. Toys are kind of okay of course, but rather not my case.

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@Pavlor @BigD

We'll never know I guess if it doesn't happen.

Regarding being the Amiga backed by Commodore back in the day ... I have mixed feelings about that. The Amiga had an enormous PD, shareware archive / scene back in the day and not so much "backing" by third party companies that were big names. I see no reason why something can't happen today if it comes available for ARM. it would be still a niche market but since the market is so enormous compared to 1985 ... who knows who might pick it up ? 1 billion Chinese maybe ? There is a market these days for non-USA made operating systems

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@tlosm

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Im sure if hyperion will made os4 for rasperrypi model B (the first one) it will become the best os for this toy.

OS4 on ARMv8 would be new life.

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@Simon

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it would be still a niche market but since the market is so enormous compared to 1985 ... who knows who might pick it up ? 1 billion Chinese maybe ? There is a market these days for non-USA made operating systems

Well, then, that rules out most of AmigaOS.

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@simplex

the origins are maybe in USA but today it's a Belgian Company regarding OS4. Unless you want to persist in believing AmigInc still as a saying in what way it goes ...

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@bison

im play with the pi3 and for sure os4 on it will be really good and quick. Pi3 is faster compared the tabor in cpu power.

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@Simon

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the origins are maybe in USA but today it's a Belgian Company regarding OS4.

I was referring to the fact that the origins, and quite possibly a substantial amount of the still-existing code, was written by Americans. I don't think anyone outside Hyperion knows how much.

In any case, I meant it tongue-in-cheek.

[Edit: Well, kind of tongue-in-cheek. Looking back at the original post, though, let me point out that the referred not to the owner, but to where it was "made." So either the original post was wrong to refer to where it was made, or the reply fails to address the actual point, regardless of how serious I was. I'll shut up now.]

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@Zylesea

Im using a quad G5 as my main machine . Everyone know here how much i apreciate This machine it thanks to ppc Apple scene is full operational today, it situation is much much better than all ppc amiga in os4 side. On the dead Leopard i can browse inet for sure better than ng amiga, i can print without become mad, i can use open Office 5, use dev kit and last gcc thanks to macports and play heavy games like is quake4 or call of duty 2, Made audio video production s and so and so. I miss morphos here probably one day the dream will come true... But im sure the best choice for us will be arm64 architecture for the future.this architecture will Made first have on the sigle hardware multy OS choice (bored of Amigaos? Use Android,Linux,riscos etc) .
What i sow from my a-eon beta experience is the totally absence of milestones, step... Future ... Just:we make a crappy hardware, you pay it and much, if you are able to use it good for you if not is your foult and shut off your mount and your brain.

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Dave Haynie was right. Way back when Amiga OS extenders and hardware vendors should’ve gone Intel instead of PPC, and here were talking about ARM. How about the next architecture we make our wishes for be x64?

I appreciate that there are more ARM processors in use than any other arch (embedded), but surely I’m not the only one that sees that if the herculean task of adding support for a new processor architecture is undertaken by the AmigaOS devs, it should be Intel.



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"should’ve gone Intel instead of PPC"

PPC was ok at the time.
In the end, both x86 and PPC were "dead ends".

"only" problem is that too many years have been lost in fighting and doing things (3x) via the hard way.

In 1995, we should have had AOS4.3 (very similar to BeOS under the hood, but with legacy sandbox+autoconfig+otheramigastuff).

"if the herculean task of adding support for a new processor architecture is undertaken by the AmigaOS devs, it should be Intel"

Yep, A64 to be more specific.
(for "safety" reasons some kind of CPU ISA independence should be used)

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