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fishy_fis 
Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 15:26:02
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@ribdevil

So you don't use runinuae on os4 I assume.
Also somewhat bizarre that you'll pay for tiny changes to PPaint implying they're supporting the Amiga when Cloanto gave it away as freeware for years.
A more rational perspective would be that Cloanto actually give to the community while we're nothing more than investors to A-Eon.
Heck A-Eon even made the free version harder (not the same thing as hard) to find.

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 16:16:30
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@fishy_fis

I use runinuae, but E-UAE is a freeware and RuninUAE is from ChrisH ( thanks ChrisH ), not Cloanto.

And runs better in my X5000 that in the i7 of my brother under Amiga Forever, I run many WHDL that don't works in brother i7.

And yes, I paid for my copy of PPaint for OS4.1. What's the problem ?

But I insist, again, what has Cloanto done for AMIGA? Apart from selling an emulator based on a free one. And years ago, a paint program.

Virginio

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OlafS25 
Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 16:20:51
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@ribdevil

WHDL games that not work on i7 in WinUAE?

That is hard to believe

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Rob 
Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 17:17:56
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@WolfToTheMoon

Amiga Format was still on sale in UK when Bill 'n Barry took over Amiga Inc and Amiga Active was launched not long afterwards. By the time Hyperion, Eyetech and Amiga signed the 2001 deal there was no Amiga magazine on the UK high street to report the news, but Hyperion did the most damage, sure.

I'd suggest reading Bolton Peck's account of his experience at Amiga Inc to see how many f***S Bill 'n Barry really gave about Amiga OS and the user base.

http://www.amigafuture.de/pdf.php?t=14709&sid=08e738dc89c4850521aef0d61e4a563b

It's also worth noting that Amiga Inc owed significant amounts of money to Hyperion for contract work done on Amiga DE.

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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@Rob

[Poll] Should Amiga inc pay former employees?

Bolton (and others) posts are much more interesting here ^^

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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@Rob

One side being black does not make the other white

I'd say Bill and Ben 2 minds like one.....

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 18:27:39
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Let me make it darn easy to pick side..

* Cloanto are outspoken about making OS3.1 officially open source

* Hyperion oppose anything open source, and for every lawsuit settlement try to include more and more as "their" IP, and under their "control".

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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@kolla

It's cloanto that are taking legal action here, not Hyperion.

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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It's cloanto that are taking legal action here, not Hyperion.


Not that it matters, but that was after Hyperion accused Cloanto of fraud on the USPTO.
That might have been deemed more serious than the bickering over trademarks between the 2 parties and evoked the response you refer to.

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 19:30:18
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@broadblues

Yes, and rightfully so. Hyperion claims exclusive rights to do OS3 for 68k development, which is something, as far as I can see, they never were entitled to according to existing settlements. Their rights were always tied solely to development and distribution of OS4.

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@kolla

Wrong again. As far as we know Hyperion is the only party with legal access to the OS3 source code. Legally, any OS Hyperion releases is OS4 - even "AmigaOS 3.1.4" with minor changes over plain OS3.1.

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@pavlor

What part of "exclusive" is so hard to understand?

The sources are not needed to development.

Hyperion's rights to the OS3.1 sources are only for development of OS4.

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@kolla

Quote:
The sources are not needed to development.




Quote:
Hyperion's rights to the OS3.1 sources are only for development of OS4.


See my reply in above post. 2009 Settlement Agreement is clear about this.

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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@fishy_fis

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I have both the time and money to cause some genuine problems for everyone involved.


id rather spent time on coding and money on supporting an open alternative. whoever you aim for, they probably cause most damage to themselves, their next, their loyal followership rather than to an independent spectator.

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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@pavlor

pavlor wrote:
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Legally, any OS Hyperion releases is OS4!

- even "AmigaOS 3.1.4" with minor changes over plain OS3.1.


Eh ? Where do you get that from ?

Hell no !

Evert

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
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@kolla

Quote:

kolla wrote:


Hyperion's rights to the OS3.1 sources are only for development of OS4.


Not true either

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@pavlor

Quote:

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@kolla

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The sources are not needed to development.





Laugh all you like, it is nevertheless true. There are many ways around, from reimplementing components to disassembling for understanding and patching. How do you think most of what constitutes BB3+4 came about?

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Quote:
Hyperion's rights to the OS3.1 sources are only for development of OS4.


See my reply in above post. 2009 Settlement Agreement is clear about this.


Exactly, they are quite clear about this, and it was also the general understanding at the time.

Now, with Hyperion claiming exclusive rights to development of anything derivative of AmigaOS also on 68k, they claim to be in position to take just about anyone who do anything with 68k AmigaOS to court. Which I am sure they are more than happy to do.

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@kolla

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they claim to be in position to take just about anyone who do anything with 68k AmigaOS to court. Which I am sure they are more than happy to do.


With whose money? :D

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@WolfToTheMoon

Actually we don't even know who is taking on the case yet.

Representative not yet listed

Click "parties"

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Re: Legal dispute: Statement by Hyperion, open letter from two developers
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 22:46:42
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@fishy_fis

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Failing that, given some recent luck, I've become a bit of a gentleman of leisure. 
I have both the time and money to cause some genuine problems for everyone involved. 
Would anyone else care to join me in a "frustrate them and/or send them broke" campaign? 
We really need to be rid of these nuisances once and for all. 
This is a legitimate question. Just trying to work out the best way to proceed.


I would say save your money for something useful like a world cruise or back hair removal. If you are still bored, send some over to me!

Remember they are fighting over software they turnover less with than I earn a year so reasonably small beer. The fight ultimately costs more than the prize.

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