Poster | Thread |
Daedalus
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 15-Jan-2018 11:13:10
| | [ #21 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 14-Jul-2003 Posts: 1680
From: Glasgow - UK, Irish born | | |
|
| Mine's still going strong too. I bought it 2nd hand around 2006 or so, upgraded the abysmal stock cooler and PSU, and fitted PATA and USB2.0 PCI cards. I feed it batteries fairly regularly, but other than that it's been pretty solid ever since.
I suspect that there was a lot of variation across batches - mine's a later board without the sound chip - so maybe there were other improvements that help some batches perform better than others.
As for the PC hardware, it's hit and miss too. I've got plenty that was retired after 10 years, still fully working, but I've also seen plenty of dead hardware - laptops with batteries dying under warranty, dead motherboards after 18 months... You get good and poor quality everywhere. _________________ RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 16-Jan-2018 15:47:09
| | [ #22 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @OldAmigan
I've had dodgy IDE cables as well. Most recently I discovered the power to my DVD drive is dodgy but is stable as of present. However the DVD drive has a problem as it ejects but won't inject. And UBoot has stopped recognising discs in it. Also it's a Pioneer and I've had trouble with things like no DRQ and failing on DMA which I read hapened on Pioneer branded drives.
I've also ran SmartCtl when a drive was suspect. My first listed errors. Rest have been good.
And I've watched it load Kickstart then ask me to insert Workbench! It just loaded Kickstart off that partition, how the hell can it lose the partition? Things like that make OS4 confusing and look stupid.
I've got an AGP card in that 66Mhz slot. Did you put your machine into AGP mode from UBoot? Yes I know you need a screen to do that. But best to monitor the UBoot serial output for problematic hardware.
I'm seeing more browser lock ups now. Especially with MUIOWB it can just freeze. But so can the hardware. So it can be hard to tell if it is software or hardware. Linux freezes as well. But going to the same site usually confirms the browser crashing.
I've found my X1000 can be quite sensitive. The firmware crashes on boot up quite easily then goes into a reboot loop. Once I found it was due to a thin power cable. But now it has no excuse. Happens too much. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 16-Jan-2018 15:49:26
| | [ #23 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @tonyw
Quote:
Heh. That's the CPU board you gave me - I had ACube perform the 1 GHz update on it, which lasted many years before it died. |
Yeah funny that. Your old CPU board is still working. Infact I'm using it right now. Maybe you should have kept it. LOL.
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 16-Jan-2018 15:56:24
| | [ #24 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @Morphix
That sounds funny. I must have been around a while then if I've been handing out XE advice all these years. I should almost be an expert by now. With my trusty null modem cable and laptop terminal I can usually debug most hardware problems. Usually. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
PR
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 16-Jan-2018 23:51:46
| | [ #25 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 1-Sep-2004 Posts: 1961
From: Suomi-Finland | | |
|
| I'll Power up the XE when IB 2.5 is out;)
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
realize
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 17-Jan-2018 1:43:59
| | [ #26 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 14-Apr-2003 Posts: 1797
From: nyc | | |
|
| @Hypex
These boards were NEVER meant to be sold commercially to the public. They are rebadged Teron motherboards considered crap by the industry. How do I know? I was at the Motorola labs with Genesi and we talked about this at length. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Morphix
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 17-Jan-2018 3:12:42
| | [ #27 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 10-Aug-2009 Posts: 449
From: Greece | | |
|
| @realize
Wow! _________________ Peg1, Peg2, Efika, Amiga 500, Amiga 1230, Amiga 4000PPC, Sam 440EP, AmigaOne XE, MacMini PPC, PowerMac G4, G5 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 17-Jan-2018 15:43:45
| | [ #28 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @realize
Seems thay should have found a better board. Infact I thought the Pegasos would have made a better board. A batch of those with UBoot would have been much better. They could have rebadged them as AmigaOne boards. Or tried to come to some agreement with Genesi on using their hardware as the offical AmigaOne. Try. Ha. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Cheese
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 17-Jan-2018 16:20:49
| | [ #29 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 23-Oct-2006 Posts: 314
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @realize
Reminds me of this wrongpla.net article _________________ x86/MorphOS 4.0
"Delving into the past can be a dangerous exercise." -hyperionmp
"I've been a supporter of "REACTION" GUI because is an Amiga OS thing." -Snuffy
"I personally prefer a vision of do'ers and makers rather than |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
newlight
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 17-Jan-2018 17:25:29
| | [ #30 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 10-Sep-2007 Posts: 1935
From: Somewhere in Spain | | |
|
| @Morphix
We now know that the Amiga One's boards we buyed are simply crap.Sad for this _________________ AMIGA 500 1.5 MB ACA500/ACA1232 accelerators AMIGA 500 German CD32 unexpanded Amiga 1200 Tower on AmigaKit since years AMIGA 1300 030/50 Mhz/32 MB WB 3.9 with lots of games&demos AMIGA ONE XE G3 PPC 800 Mhz/1 GB RAM/RADEON 9250 128 MB/SATA CONTROLLER |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Morphix
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 17-Jan-2018 20:27:11
| | [ #31 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 10-Aug-2009 Posts: 449
From: Greece | | |
|
| @newlight
Still love mine :) _________________ Peg1, Peg2, Efika, Amiga 500, Amiga 1230, Amiga 4000PPC, Sam 440EP, AmigaOne XE, MacMini PPC, PowerMac G4, G5 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Robert
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 18-Jan-2018 10:08:53
| | [ #32 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 10-Mar-2003 Posts: 879
From: Glasgow | | |
|
| @Hypex
I switched my A1XE on the other week for the first time in over a year. At first I couldn't get it to power on so I changed the CMOS battery. Still nothing. Was frustratedly pushing the power button repeatedly when suddenly there was a loud pop, a burning smell and then, quite unexpectedly, it booted up and seems to be working OK.
Think (hope) the 'explosion' was related to some non-essential part of the tower case rather than the mother board.
_________________ Robert -- A1XE G4, OS4.1. Peg1 G3, MOS 1.4. Abel Soul - Check out our tunes on Spotify |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Robert
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 18-Jan-2018 10:12:04
| | [ #33 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 10-Mar-2003 Posts: 879
From: Glasgow | | |
|
| @daveyw
Quote:
daveyw wrote: @Hypex
Replacing the awful stock Thermaltake CPU cooler probably greatly extends life and stability; it certainly did for mine. |
Yes, this was one of the first things I did too._________________ Robert -- A1XE G4, OS4.1. Peg1 G3, MOS 1.4. Abel Soul - Check out our tunes on Spotify |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 18-Jan-2018 15:15:52
| | [ #34 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @newlight
The newer one have to be made in better quality one would hope? |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 18-Jan-2018 15:17:27
| | [ #35 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @Robert
Sounds like what my A4000 did when it suddenly reset one time and the PicassoIV board RTG stopped working. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
newlight
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 18-Jan-2018 16:22:33
| | [ #36 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 10-Sep-2007 Posts: 1935
From: Somewhere in Spain | | |
|
| @Morphix
And I too.I renewed last year replacing the G3 with a "new" G4.From Norway _________________ AMIGA 500 1.5 MB ACA500/ACA1232 accelerators AMIGA 500 German CD32 unexpanded Amiga 1200 Tower on AmigaKit since years AMIGA 1300 030/50 Mhz/32 MB WB 3.9 with lots of games&demos AMIGA ONE XE G3 PPC 800 Mhz/1 GB RAM/RADEON 9250 128 MB/SATA CONTROLLER |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
newlight
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 18-Jan-2018 16:29:24
| | [ #37 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 10-Sep-2007 Posts: 1935
From: Somewhere in Spain | | |
|
| @Hypex
What do you appoint me here? WHat's newer? The CPU? _________________ AMIGA 500 1.5 MB ACA500/ACA1232 accelerators AMIGA 500 German CD32 unexpanded Amiga 1200 Tower on AmigaKit since years AMIGA 1300 030/50 Mhz/32 MB WB 3.9 with lots of games&demos AMIGA ONE XE G3 PPC 800 Mhz/1 GB RAM/RADEON 9250 128 MB/SATA CONTROLLER |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Morphix
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 19-Jan-2018 3:08:50
| | [ #38 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 10-Aug-2009 Posts: 449
From: Greece | | |
|
| @Robert
Sounds like PSU. I think.
Probably something from the inside of the tower, for example a screw??? Touched your PSu?..
Last edited by Morphix on 19-Jan-2018 at 03:11 AM.
_________________ Peg1, Peg2, Efika, Amiga 500, Amiga 1230, Amiga 4000PPC, Sam 440EP, AmigaOne XE, MacMini PPC, PowerMac G4, G5 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Robert
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 19-Jan-2018 14:18:36
| | [ #39 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 10-Mar-2003 Posts: 879
From: Glasgow | | |
|
| @Morphix:
Possibly.
I have almost no spare time just now to investigate further but am happy enough that it seems to be working OK.
As an aside and a bit off topic, I have 256MB RAM / 800MHz G4 in it and it seems a *wee* bit sluggish. I was thinking of replacing the RAM with a GB or two. Anyone recommend the best place to get this in the UK?
_________________ Robert -- A1XE G4, OS4.1. Peg1 G3, MOS 1.4. Abel Soul - Check out our tunes on Spotify |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Why do the AmigaOne XE machines die? Posted on 19-Jan-2018 14:22:05
| | [ #40 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @newlight
No I mean the boards. Like that X5000. Surely it has to be better quality than the XE ever was. I mean, my XE is good, but that random freeze still lurks in the background. And it never goes away.
At least with the X1000 and X5000 it shouldn't just freeze. For no apparent reason. And Linux can run normally without needing patches for things like no coherent cache and what not.
The CPU, what ever the age, might the best part of all. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|