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Hyperion development and financing discussion
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 15:42:22
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First let me re-iterate that the only place I am aware of that Hyperion is discussing issues with the public is http://os4welt.de. Whether this is is because Costel is more comfortable speaking in his native language for clarity sake...or some other reason I can not say.

But since there are many answers being given to questions about the state of AmigaOS development, issues with partners, potential solutions, updates on drivers, etc. I think it is worth reading for those who keep asking the same questions here, and on other Amiga websites.

I'll be first to say I use google translate and do not wish to misrepresent anything said by Costel, so I fully appreciate any corrections if I make a mistatement.

Currently the discussion (several pages, which is a lot in a short time for os4.welt) is about bringing back the subscription service in some form.

I'll post 2 direct quotes, but welcome any clarification.

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The idea behind it is quite simple, that the work should be paid for every update, which means that further work will be financed again.


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but the basic rule should be "Update for money".

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For those who want to research a bit of history from AW on this topic in conjunction with reading about the same subject currently discussed on os4.welt:

Some mention here in general talk about financing (2010)
A poll with comments (2012)
Way(why)is the Subscription model a good idea. (2013)

Thread title changed upon request as indicated above.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 15:48:37
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@number6

Open subscription model is big NO GO. However, releasing paid "update" every 2 years for 30 EUR or less would be viable for most of us.

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Posted on 30-Jan-2018 16:36:13
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@pavlor

he mentioned yearly updates 100 EUR each

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 16:39:48
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Suicide.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 16:48:55
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I think Hyperion is going to struggle with AmigaOS development being a viable business. Subs likely make a lot of sense for them but will the community pay to keep a team of devs employed?

I can dream, so I'd love to see AmigaOS open-sourced with the trademarks protected by some kind of foundation much like Linux.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
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@OlafS25
Suicide.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 18:03:26
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@pavlor

One has to be alive for that.......

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Posted on 30-Jan-2018 18:06:27
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Don´t forget Amiga platform is in half alive/half dead state for two decades.

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Posted on 30-Jan-2018 18:10:02
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@pavlor

to be precise 96 EUR...

much too much even for hardcore fans

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he mentioned yearly updates 100 EUR each

I believe he's only thinking about a stream of revenue. He should also consider the pressure on them to provide a continuous stream of meaningful updates that users will expect for 100 EUR per year.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 18:44:05
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When not even their core users are willing to spend that much, they can´t expect broader appeal. Success of 4.1FE on the emulation maket was driven by good price. These people will certainly not buy new version for 100 EUR.

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Posted on 30-Jan-2018 19:23:15
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@number6

Wow! 96 eur every year to update a operating system which now costs 30 eur? It makes a lot of sense.

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Posted on 30-Jan-2018 19:47:41
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It's not a crazy idea, albeit it is probably brought out of desperation.
8 EUR a month is not crazy high, the problem is how many people will be willing to pay, what could they expect in return and similar... They biggest issue is with Hyperion themselves, if they continue overpromising stuff while now in theory charging for it and doing the 2 more weeks routine, it will fail spectacularly.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 19:56:35
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I would pay even 1.000€ for a good Amiga OS, the real problem is: They have NOTHING to offer.

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 20:09:25
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As a programmer, I submitted some bug reports for the listbrowser.gadget that salass00 fixed. That was over a year ago, and it is still not released to the public. Why is Hyperion not using AmiUpdate? I don't want to have to wait a year+ for updates that should be released monthly or quarterly.

As a developer of AOS, which I have been asked to sign up for, I said no. I don't want to develop a new feature for something, a gadget class for example, then not be able to release my new program that uses it for over a year while Hyperion twiddles it's thumbs and not releasing updates. What good does that do me?

I would gladly pay $50 a year for major updates, not $100. BUT...I want monthly or quarterly updates released via AmiUpdate to keep the cycle flowing nicely.

If people start seeing regular updates released, they will be more willing to keep buying the software to support new programs using the new features/fixes.

Everything starts from the top and flows down.

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They need to drop PPC as soon as possible if they want to maximize this hypothetical subscription model. Cheap HW, more users, more revenue from subscription.

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at the current rate 68k has more chance of growing user base than ppc does.

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True.
But that direction is not viable for Hyperion, I think. Would be much easier to port to x86 or ARM architecture. Plus, there are performance issues with Apollo however impressive of a 68K CPU it might be

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Re: Hyperion reconsidering the subscription model for development
Posted on 30-Jan-2018 21:51:18
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Quote:
I submitted some bug reports for the listbrowser.gadget that salass00 fixed. That was over a year ago, and it is still not released to the public.

A similar case: the Window Class subclassing bug that causes a complete system freeze under certain circumstances. Fixed about a year ago in the internal beta; possibly meant to be publicly released to celebrate Hyperion's next settlement agreement in 2025.

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