@Hans

My answer to your question is based on some kind of a sad situation: my x5k is in storage and probably will be until I live somewhere where I feel more at home.
Time aplenty as I do not watch TV, kids are old enough to keep themselves busy (and they are doing quite well, with one trading horses 'worldwide' and the other currently working at the Auckland university) and no nagging wife anymore.

Still I have quite some ideas about software to develop, the list keeps slowly growing, and I'm still gathering information and knowledge for their completion.
One of my intentions still is to reverse engineer some OS4Depot projects as they seem to be broken and/or abandoned by their creator. Somehow they fullfilled some requirements.
Been looking at 'UBoot'... Oh dear what a monstrousity that is!
Been looking at 'OpenVPN': simmilar comment

And lurking at Amiga related fora, while sometimes kicking in, just like now, when I feel like it.

Rest assured that when I move out here, and it not being in a coffeng, and get settled somewhere better suited, the x5k will be reinstalled as pride of place!

Until then,

OldFart

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Been looking at 'UBoot'... Oh dear what a monstrousity that is!

Take a look at systemd. You will change your mind about U-Boot.

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bison wrote: Quote: Been looking at 'UBoot'... Oh dear what a monstrousity that is! Take a look at systemd. You will change your mind about U-Boot.

Speaking of systemd.

Have you tried MXLinux (on x-86)? They managed to get around most of that crap.

Of course they don't get constant new kernel, new kernel, new kernel, because they spent some time actually fixing a problem. Oh! excuse me, I mean modifying an enhancement.

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I'm not much of programmer so for me it a mixture of skills and time,

I am hoping Hollywood Designer gets an update and that might make me jump back into to making basic apps.

One of the things that made me buy an Amiga was its gaming making ablitys and seeing a copy of S.E.U.C.K (Shoot-em Up Construction Kit) in my game shop made me want one even more, would kinda like a update / modern n.g version of this program for amigaones that be nice.

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Speaking of systemd. Have you tried MXLinux (on x-86)? They managed to get around most of that crap.

Yeah, I have, and I like it. I don't care for the rather unusual Xfce configuration, but that's easy to change.

I think they're using systemd-shim, which allows them to use SysV init, but still run apps with systemd dependencies.

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/systemd-shim

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Hi All,

I know this thread is almost a year old, but I would like to resurrect it to validate an idea. #1 problem listed in this thread is lack of time. # 2 however seems to be high cost of entry.

How would you, an application developer, rate on a scale from 0 to 10 usefulness to you of following approach:

1) You use stock Linux, either x86 or PPC
2) You install SDK from a package available on that system
3) You use stock gcc and linker available on that system
4) You build your application (which uses Amiga APIs) as a Linux binary
5) You can use development tools available on that Linux, like IDEs, debuggers, profilers, etc, including integration of those tools with IDEs as you were doing with any other Linux binary
6) Once you are satisfied with functionality developed and have tested it, you either cross compiled or native compile your application for your Amiga system of choice and do final round of testing

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@deadwood

Well 0 I guess as it breaks when you get to linux binary, how can you build something that needs amiga APIs (of any flavour) as alinux binary?

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@broadblues

Here is a video of Wanderer running as Linux binary. Wanderer is AROS Workbench replacement program written in MUI and using dos, intuition, graphics, etc.

https://cloud.owncube.com/s/w7GFXQ4NeeYe2f6

Assuming we get the hurdle of compiling an Amiga-API application as Linux binary and running it on Linux out of the way, does that change your assessment of usefulness of described solution?

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deadwood wrote: @broadblues Here is a video of Wanderer running as Linux binary. Wanderer is AROS Workbench replacement program written in MUI and using dos, intuition, graphics, etc. https://cloud.owncube.com/s/w7GFXQ4NeeYe2f6 Assuming we get the hurdle of compiling an Amiga-API application as Linux binary and running it on Linux out of the way, does that change your assessment of usefulness of described solution?

Looks great other than the drawer icons!
Been 3 years since I booted ICAROS.

Any easy way to get more apps is to port MONO. Even Microsoft is supporting MONO now officially as their latest Asp.Net CORE will run on a MONO backend.

Heck, they even open-sourced the Roslyn compiler (C#/VB.net)…
https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn

@deadwood

I imagine how much time it need it , to bug-free such a combo, and make it usably for all flavors. It will be another never ending project :)

Besided, imho there is nothing more easy than cross-compile all what you need and run nativile for test : you then skip that part which will have needs to be updated/fixed/bug-ironed for another many years, and test it right away.

From another side, if one need to made a gui and test it on let's say x86, he always can go with ready-already Hollywood, and when all fine, then migrate to C or something.

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@kas1e

Let's park for now the topic of effort needed to achieve this capability.

My question is whether you don't see how availability of step by step debugging and profiling tools in such scenario would be beneficial to your development cycle?

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@deadwood

If imagine that i can just take the amigaos4 source code with all the latest api used in , and all the libraries (not only basic ones, but for example opengles2 ones as well), and then it will just work on win32 or linux without any move from my side , and then, i can compile the same code for amigaos4 nativily and it will works the same : then of course, sure, will be cool to have linux or win32 analogue of it , as it will be much easer to debug and working with :)

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@deadwood

This would be very valueable. The lack of debugging and profiling tools is a big problem IMO.

If I correctly understand what you're doing, it could perhaps also open the door for interesting experiments in the future.

How tightly coupled to Linux is this? What dependencies are we talking about?

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@deadwood

This would be very valueable. The lack of debugging and profiling tools is a big problem IMO.

If I correctly understand what you're doing, it could perhaps also open the door for interesting experiments in the future.

How tightly coupled to Linux is this? What dependencies are we talking about?

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@kas1e

How would you then rate this between 0-10? As something that would make you develop more (8-9) or something that is nice to have but will not change much (2-3)?

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@sTix

I'm not sure I understand the question about dependencies?

Additional question: What Linux distribution do you use for development?

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I'm not sure I understand the question about dependencies?

What I'm really after here is the difference between what you're doing and AROS hosted. What, if anything, is statically linked into my binary and what needs to be installed on the host system to make this work?

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Additional question: What Linux distribution do you use for development?

Debian.

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You do really good job, jPV.

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What I'm really after here is the difference between what you're doing and AROS hosted. What, if anything, is statically linked into my binary and what needs to be installed on the host system to make this work?

There is one additional linker library that needs to be linked compared to regular scenario. The dynamic libraries needed for the binary to work would be distributed through a package (for example via ppa repository).

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@deadwood

I think that is really interesting, as ported Amos Kittens to Linux just so can test it under a system with memory protection, in order to find bugs that went undetected on AmigaOS4.

Of course, I only ported the essentials and stopped there, skipping GUI / engine, input and stuff like that.

Having everything somehow working under linux be big help, to find bug and test things.

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