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SnkBitten 
Amithlon users - Looking for feedback please.
Posted on 10-Jul-2018 21:43:44
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This goes out to those using, and those who in the past used Amithlon....

Those who use it:
Why do you use it compared to MorphOS or AROS?
What do you like about it?
What do you feel is missing?

Those who stopped using it:
What issues did you have with it to stop using it?
Moved to another OS (MorphOS, AROS) and what did they offer over Amithlon?


It seems there are some standouts:
1) Hard to find compatible (new) hardware
2) Difficult to install
3) Legality of using it


I'm a huge fan of Amithlon. I love the way it works and how it feels like a real Amiga. The direct communication between AmigaOS and the hardware does give it a different feel than WinUAE (love that too). Just curious as to why people love it or hate it, why do they use it or why did they use it and stop, etc..

Amithlon is my "go to" Amiga emulation. I have a machine I custom built just for it and I have more of an "Amiga experience" with it than I do running WinUAE on my PC. (I have an A4000T for the "real" real experience) LOL.

Again, looking for input on what makes Amithlon standout for you, what makes Amithlon not desirable for you and/or if there was one thing you wish could be improved.

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Posted on 11-Jul-2018 8:42:48
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I used it for a bit.

Good points was speed was impressive
Most RTG software / games worked.

Downside needed emulation of some sort for classic gaming. This is also the case with all Amiga like OS. I would loved to see a Amiga OS that can do all the NG stuff plus all the Classic stuff all seamless to the user.

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Re: Amithlon users - Looking for feedback please.
Posted on 11-Jul-2018 18:24:04
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@g01df1sh

Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, if you aren't running a 68k CPU (Amigas) you are definitely going to be running some kind of 68k emulation (on x86, ARM, PPC systems) if you want full compatibility.

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Posted on 11-Jul-2018 21:47:47
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@SnkBitten

I used it for a long time until my old puter died.
My new puter was to new hardware wise and was not
able to reinstall. I also got permission from Bernd to make copies
and give them to other ppl. I now run AmiKitX and according to Amigod,
have the fastest emulated Amiga !

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Posted on 11-Jul-2018 21:53:15
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@SnkBitten

My Amithlon is still my favorite computer. I bought my first Amiga 500 in 1988 and have owned one of every model. Anyone who says emulation isn't a "real Amiga" can meet me in a dark alley! It looks like OS 3.9, acts like OS 3.9 and plays like OS 3.9! As far as I'm concerned it is an Amiga, but 800 MHz!! Quake II on my Amithlon will blow the doors off an '060 any day of the week! I had to have it so I could run TV Paint Professional, but was impressed by Art Effects 3. Yes, you do have to fiddle a lot with the screen mode program (a little better doc on that would be good). I love having USB, my Store 'n Go moves right from my Amithlon to my PC. File transfer is a breeze.

Unfortunately I'm very unfamiliar with AROS or MorphOS. Why are there so many operating systems? I'm more concerned with software like a web browser that doesn't lock up on me, or video editing that will let me burn my edits to DVD's like ten year old Nero Express instead of cobbling together scripts for 3 different programs.

And price? Don't even get me going. I won't reveal how little I paid in auction to get my Amithlon, but it was a bargain. I saved up $1000 hoping that would be enough for a 1222 Tabor, but that's my limit and it looks like the hardware will be obsolete by the time "Beta" testers have had their fun. And legality? Everyone of us is in the same boat whether we've scraped a few roms, played a few games, or provided someone else the tools to copy or get around paying for something that still has commercial value.

Does Amithlon still have developers? New games are a must. In the old days CPU speed upgrades caused rapid obsolescence, but not so today. I see OS 3.9 running on a Raspberry Pi, now can we do it the other way around? Oh-oh - we need more programmers. Amigas are still the best and most fun computers. I want to see "Verdun" or "Gettysburg" on my Amiga like in YouTube.

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kolla 
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Posted on 12-Jul-2018 5:33:07
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@SnkBitten

Quote:

Those who stopped using it:
What issues did you have with it to stop using it?
Moved to another OS (MorphOS, AROS) and what did they offer over Amithlon?


I replaced it with various UAE incarnations. Today I am running FS-UAE on a Macbook, and it is much faster than Amithlon was when I used that, like... 15 years ago. I could never go back to something like Amithlon, it just lacks too much.

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Posted on 17-Jul-2018 13:43:57
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I have amithlon machine for many times, intel core 2 duo with kernel 3.10 in this moment and others computer in the past, run fine, my passion for amiga live again

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Posted on 19-Jul-2018 1:18:56
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It's the best and by far and away the fastest 68k "Amiga" experience available.
I often see comments like, "uae is faster today". Theyre wrong, plain and simple.
Perhaps newer hardware runs uae faster than 15 year old hardware runs amithlon, but that's not representative of amithlon vs. uae, its representative of 15 year old hardware.
Recently managed to upgrade my amithlon box from a core2duo@3.86ghz to an i5@4.4ghz with pci express video and audio, so contrary to what some suggest it's not tied to obsolete hardware. In fact it can be used with more modern hardware than either MOS or OS4, and provides more 68k processing power than an x5000 provides ppc processing power, and that's disregarding the much faster x86 native mode.

Having said this though, I use AROS more these days. I can (and do) use things like Open Office there, along with pretty much any software available for any system, from the comfort of an Amiga-noid environment, all while using my favorite desktop environment in Dopus Mag.
We've also had a decent usable browser for years, with a fully fledged jit js compiler that provides more than 10x the performance of the "brand new" jit js compiler for MOS.
Most powerful hardware by a factor of 10 or more, cheapest hardware, best hardware support, best "full" amiga emulation (both in terms of features and speed), best 3d subsystem, free, easiest to develop for, not held back by byte ordering, and so on and so forth.
What's not to like?

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kolla 
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Posted on 19-Jul-2018 13:20:26
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@fishy_fis

Quote:

Perhaps newer hardware runs uae faster than 15 year old hardware runs amithlon, but that's not representative of amithlon vs. uae, its representative of 15 year old hardware.


Well, duh.

I don't care about speed on 68k as long as it is "fast enough", and various UAE incarnations are already there (and way beyond), and moving to Amithlon just causes a heck lot of head ache in terms of hardware support, networking etc and very little real gain. Today I prefer any AmigaOS "hosted", due to lack of all kinds of things.

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Posted on 19-Jul-2018 21:40:16
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@kolla

"Fast enough" is in the eye of the beholder. There's plenty of software where the slowness of UAE is a problem no matter what hardware is being used. The exact same sort of software that is crippled by the slowness of ppc. Emulation, video playback, image and audio rendering, compression/decompression, software rendered 3d (wazp3d), compilation, and so on and so forth.

UAE simply isnt an option due to it's relative slowness at times.

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Posted on 20-Jul-2018 0:33:58
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@fishy_fis

Quote:
UAE simply isnt an option due to it's relative slowness at times.


Which is why the Vampire is such an encouraging development for those who want to run legacy software.

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kolla 
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Posted on 20-Jul-2018 7:10:20
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@fishy_fis

Quote:

UAE simply isnt an option due to it's relative slowness at times.


... the only thing that slows down UAE compared to Amithlon is chipset emulation, it's not like Amithlon has some magic 68k emulation that is so much faster than UAE, from what I recall it is the exact same 68k emulation software in there.

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Quote:


Quote:
UAE simply isnt an option due to it's relative slowness at times.


Which is why the Vampire is such an encouraging development for those who want to run legacy software.


And legacy software on Amithlon doesn't work well anyways, due to lack of chipset emulation.

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Posted on 20-Jul-2018 15:33:40
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@kolla

It's about 1-1.5x for interger and often 2x for floating point.
It's absolutely significant and makes a huge difference in real use for heavy software.

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Posted on 21-Jul-2018 5:23:07
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Started going through my hardware collection and found a pci express nvidia card that's supported.
First non Matrox pci express card Ive tried that is supported.

So after all these years of finding pci slots worth their weight in gold when it comes to Amithlon it turns out you dont actually need *any*
Unless of course you use a catweasel and/or tv tunder card.

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Posted on 21-Jul-2018 6:02:30
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Quote:

fishy_fis wrote:
@SnkBitten

Started going through my hardware collection and found a pci express nvidia card that's supported.
First non Matrox pci express card Ive tried that is supported.

So after all these years of finding pci slots worth their weight in gold when it comes to Amithlon it turns out you dont actually need *any*
Unless of course you use a catweasel and/or tv tunder card.


Sweet! What model card is it?

Actually, what i5 motherboard are you using and what PCI-e audio and video cards :)

I have a PCX-5750 PCI-e nVidia that doesn't work and a SB Audigy PCI-e card that doesn't either :(

Always looking for more hardware to add to my compatibility list.

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It's an InnoVISION 128MB gf 5200.
Weird card, looks like someone got at it with a hacksaw
Also strange 'cos it's not labeled "pcx", nor is it designated the "5300" moniker, which was the unofficial official way to label gf 5 series on a pci express interface.

Mobo is the same as my AROS systems mobo,.... seems a good choice for systems with "limited" (limited meaning the hundreds of boards using ich 7/8/9/10 controllers) chipset support,.... MSI H55EM3, socket 1156. Pretty sure thats the model number at least. Middle of the night here and I just woke up. Too tired and lazy to get out of bed and double check right now, but I'll confirm shortly.

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Posted on 21-Jul-2018 19:44:54
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@SnkBitten
Those who use it:

Q: Why do you use it compared to MorphOS or AROS?
A: Unfortunately, the hard disk of my Amithlon system crashed,
and that lead to me stop using it.

Q: What do you like about it?
A: It feels like a real Amiga. Maybe it's partly due to no sign of the underlying operating system, such as when using WinUAE on Windows.

Q: What do you feel is missing?
A: Easier boot installation. I always had to boot using the Amithlon CD, maybe
because I hadn't really grasped how to create a PC boot partition as well as the Amiga partitions. It would have been great if this could be automated.

Those who stopped using it:
Q: What issues did you have with it to stop using it?
A: See above.

Q: Moved to another OS (MorphOS, AROS) and what did they offer over Amithlon?
A: Why isn't OS 4.x mentioned? That's what I chose after Amithlon.

But as I say, I still think Amithlon is great.

It seems there are some standouts:
1) Hard to find compatible (new) hardware
2) Difficult to install
3) Legality of using it

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You just need to create a boot partition containing the bootloader. No need for any other boot media.
In fact you pretty much *have to* install to/boot from harddrive to take advantage of all it offers.

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I hope I'm not being too emulator centric, has anyone here had much luck at running Amithlon on an emulator?

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