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edponpon 
Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS?
Posted on 27-Jul-2018 20:45:47
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Heya all,

I was just curious to get all of your thoughts on this.

- What IF Amiga OS 4.X was designed for modern AMD, Intel, MAC and Raspberry PI machines?
- That they would no longer focus on proprietary machines and just be like Windows - an OS for the
masses.




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@edponpon

Drivers?

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No one would use it like AROS and Hyperion and A-EON would bankrupt themselves porting it and it would be a footnote in history like BeOS. Now you know

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I don't think he's afraid of being a footnote in history, since he already owns a Commodore USA branded Amiga, which pretty much already puts him in footnote territory. heh.

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@edponpon

Lack of interest.
As rabid as we can be in our inner circles there's just no interest beyond it.
Doesn't matter what architecture it's on or the price, the OS market, even free ones, it's saturated. Yet another one, and one lacking things people expected 10 years ago in free option doesnt make it an attractive option either.

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@edponpon

you just explained AROS and it's been around for a long time if you want to try it

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Yay AROS... hang on ... WHY NOW?

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@edponpon

What If OS 4.X (or other OS Amiga) was re-designed for classic Amiga only with full compatibility of existing classic software and no more switching of WB if you wanted to play an old game.?

As it was already mentioned for modern PC there's AROS and for certain MACs there's MorphOS.

Practically speaking to run AROS 68K on a classic Amiga one really needs a super duper ultra beefed up Amiga.

We need a modern OS for the classics.


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@BigD

because its customary here to conclude what the best possible solution would be, ridiculously without realizing that ist what aros actually paves. just wait for another execuse, why this is not enough.

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You're right! People that want an Amiga like OS on x86, Arm chips etc already have AROS. The problem is they are not in the slightest bit interested and forget it exists. They would rather pretend they're interested in a x86/ARM AmigaOS port and then when it's done complain that its out of date, rubbish, not fit for purpose, has no modern software or back compatibility and then wonder why Hyperion, A-EON and AmigaKit all file for bankruptcy soon after!!!

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Yay AROS... hang on ... WHY NOW?


this comes up at least twice each year for the past many many years ..I've told countless friends over the years that are in the 'too expensive to get into OS4.x' camp to try AROS and every time I hear the same thing...'it's nice and kind of feels like Amiga .. BUT..this and that is missing... I wanted to use another x and x didn't have a driver,," blah blah blah

ultimately people try it for a bit and then, like a temp novelty, forget about it ...time passes..and voila the same question pops up again..and rinse and repeat the cycle above continues constantly

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Drivers?

Yeah, that's a big problem. I think the only way AmigaOS would be viable on generic hardware is if it targets a very small slice -- RPi3, or Intel NUCs, or recent x86_64 motherboards with integrated graphics. Or recent AMD motherboards with integrated graphics, for people who hate Intel.

The range of hardware to be supported would need to be constrained as much as possible.

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@thread

Closed hardware for the multimedia chipset would solve the driver issues. But then we'd be back to square one.

Re:BeOS
Haiku is to BeOS what AROS is to Amiga. We should merge them!

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What If OS 4.X (or other OS Amiga) was re-designed for classic Amiga only with full compatibility of existing classic software and no more switching of WB if you wanted to play an old game.?


RunInUAE?

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@BigD
Yeah, AROS is a pretty good indication of what would happen if AmigaOS got ported to x86. Not many people using it, even though it's free and works on cheap x86 hardware.

Besides, Hyperion already look to be going bankrupt.

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Id have to agree with what most people on hear are saying, AmigaOS on arm / x86 I feel wont really be the magic trick to getting AmigaOs usage up. I think its got to offer more. I still feel Amiga could capture a bigger market than we got, not saying windows or mac level but more Raspberry pi size community I feel is possible with Amiga if we had the right market targeted.

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Even on PPC drivers are a problem. If you wanna go for IA64 you've to give the users the same featuresnas mainstream OS. Security being crucial and we know that it is a nogo for OS4.

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Besides, Hyperion already look to be going bankrupt.


first off, it looks like that since ever and even if so, why do you think it solves anything?

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@wawa

Because he most likely thinks OS4.x would go open source at that point despite all the evidence in the world that company bankruptcy limits the ability to access products and does not improve it!!

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edponpon wrote:

- Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS?


I'm not sure, but there might be a lot more Amigas with UAE than AOS4 Boxes.

Quote:

edponpon wrote:

What IF Amiga OS 4.X was designed for modern AMD, Intel, MAC and Raspberry PI machines?


It would be less compatible than AOS3 on UAE running on the same hardware.


Quote:

edponpon wrote:

That they would no longer focus on proprietary machines and just be like Windows - an OS for the
masses.


Most people I knew don't call the Amiga an OS, they see it as an computer that was great before C= went bankrupt.

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