@cdimauro

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Sorry to break your dream, but you still have to wait until any sort of Unix is running as the main system (at least the kernel).

But! 2018 is the year of desktop Linux hitting mainstream! (Like every year since 1998)

@Rose: LOL.

@Rose

Linux is not unix, but macOS is.

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@kolla

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Linux is not unix, but macOS is.

Well...its a hybrid version of BSD, so I guess that's close enough.

And there is Sun's Solaris (Unix System V Release 4 SVR4, not BSD) which can run of hardware from third party vendors.

@JimIgou

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Well...its a hybrid version of BSD, so I guess that's close enough.

macOS is an officially certified UNIX.

https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xy.htm

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And there is Sun's Solaris (Unix System V Release 4 SVR4, not BSD) which can run of hardware from third party vendors.

You should keep up with the times, Sun does not exist since 2010, it's Oracle today :)

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@kolla

Sorry, your right, Satan's server company, Oracle.
I used to miss Sun.

And I don't get the "officially certified" thing with BSD/OSX.

Anyway, UNIX, Linux either way, not my cup of tea.

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@kolla

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Linux is not unix, but macOS is.

There are (or used to be) one or two Chinese Linux distributions that are certified Unix 03. So it's possible, although it seems kind of pointless.

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@bison

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My main complaint with shell syntax is that it requires a certain magical sequence of whitespace to work correctly. I almost think that it's not really parsing code into a tree, but doing line-by-line lexographical analysis and putting information in a list or table, sort of like what tcl does.

That's what I found out myself. It can be very strict. Though I tend to find things just didn't work in scripts rather than throw and obvious error and stop.

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And I'm not crazy about the Algol68 syntax either, especially spelling keywords backwards to end a block.

Yes the if...fi seemed a bit strange to me as well.

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I think that would have worked 15 or 20 years ago, but maybe as a group we've become too ossified in the years since. We are deep into "we've always done it this way" territory.

I tend to doubt we would have accepted it. It would have been another of those "Anti Amiga" things. Though seeing an implementation of what CAOS was meant to be would have been good.

@drstrangelove

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Sorry ... for my bad English.

What was the bad English?

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Linux Kernel + bash (and associated libraries, of course). Workbench on top of that would be a dream.

This?

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@kolla

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I totally agree, the lines between un*x and windows are blurring out. I would not be surprised if Microsoft will ship a Windows Desktop for Linux at some point - which pretty much will be equivalent to... AROS hosted.

Doesn't this exist already? It's called WINE.

@Rose

It is ironic, here everyone saying the delay of AMIGA and most propose to Linux as an alternative, do you know that in AMIGA we have ( for example), 3D drivers that linux has not yet, nor are expected ?

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@Amigamia

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Amithlon (The emulator part) wasn't but Amiga OS 3.9 was there and it was adapted to run on top of a highly customized Amiga emulator as you described.

Without changing any OS code AFAIK aside form including some drivers.

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Otherwise why would they have used an emulator?

To run 68K code. But I was referring to this which implied Amithlon was an AmigaOS.

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You can't deny that Amithlon was (is ?) the fastest Amiga OS ever

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To do that the AROS coders had to reverse engineer everything and port it to Intel.

That's a bit overkill. Since they intended to reimplement it, reverse engineering everything wasn't needed. They just needed to copy the API functions so it was source compatible to Amiga programs. The API and OS structures already public.

@all

Well, build "intuition_lnx" has been very easy, I already have the first alpha version.

Next challenge: WorkBench_lnx ...

Does anyone know if the WB1.3 sources are available?

With educational purposes, of course ....

@drstrangelove

some time 3.1 sources leaked but were removed after a short time and sources are not legal (for what purpose ever). The only OS where sources are legal available (and most parts are reimplemented) because Open Source is AROS

http://aros.sourceforge.net/de/

it not only includes a desktop (both Wanderer (the aros desktop) and Scalos), reimplementation of MUI and many libraries and it compiles with modern compilers (the old sources did not). If you want to do something that is best chance.

@drstrangelove

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Does anyone know if the WB1.3 sources are available?

Why 1.3 when you have link to 3.1 sources right here?

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@cdimauro

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I don't think that it was just a question of time. The plan was to have a port to PowerPC, not a new o.s. with modern features.

Oh. I think I was still talking about the original CAOS here for 68K before it got displaced by that BCPL thing that became AmigaDOS.

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ROTFL

So annoying.

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It's not a question of buying or not buying something which you don't like. If you have no real/concrete/good alternative, then you're forced to buy even things that you don't like, because you need them anyway.

In Apple's case they had a popular OS and had built up a loyal fan base so I wonder why they chose to go this way. There wasn't exactly a MacDOS. Well not one the user could directly interact with. But the Mac folder structure had more in common with AmigaDOS than the Unix one they replaced it with.

There is the story of Car Sassenrath called in to help update MacOS with multitasking. And how he thought it was too far gone and just couldn't be added to it. With pointer tagging and what not in the way.

And look at the state AmigaOS is in now.

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That's what happened to me at least, since I puked against DOS and Windows when I was a blind Amiga fanatic, but I had to switch to them once Commodore went in bankrupt, and the successors weren't able to sustain/revival the Amiga platform.

I survived on my A1200. The only thing really holding it back was speed and no RTG. Apart from that it did pretty much all of my computer needs. But I did buy an old Mac OS9 laptop and after that a G3 OSX laptop just to educate myself on other systems. The Mac was similar and especially OS9 which had a lot in common with AmigaOS. I could not believe OS9 did not have full multitasking. It worked just like an Amiga. And crapped over the Windows 3.1 excuse for co-operative multitasking.

When the A1200 was really tired the AmigaOne was ready. So I got one and being able to continue my Amiga hobby on faster hardware made me happy. I didn't want to give up Amiga hobby cold turkey just like that then buy a PC and fade into to the mould. So the AmigaOne provided a choice and I chose that.

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Life continues...

It does. I didn't have much of an interest in educating myself on the PC since I knew enough people with a PC and learnt enough by fixing their problems. Back then I had a knack of working it out without even having a personal one of my own. The time I disabled virtual memory in Windows '95 and had re-enabled it an hour later was a fun experiment.

To this day I've never bought a PC. I've never had too. We not a new one and not for myself. My brother in law gave me his first. A friend gave me one. Then years down the track another gave me a laptop. And a desktop. The older ones get give away. And I only turned them on if I was really desperate and really needed Windows for some task.

I like OSX on a PowerBook. But it's too slow on the net like an A1. Except the sites work more normally. And ATM the PC laptop has displaced it with Linux. The A1 got me familiar with Linux. So I'm comfortable using it on the laptop. And it's good testing things like OS4 cross compiling.

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@kolla
@OlafS25

My purpose is to verify that this path exists, that we can earn more than what is lost.
I may be wrong, but the only way I can think of is trying.
That's why I prefer WB1.3, it should be simpler and easier; my "Intuition_lnx" is quite simple and I think WB1.3 will be too.

@drstrangelove

aros incorporates 1.3 and BCPL compatibility on m68k target for what i know. i have been reassured about this by toni just lately, because someone else, somewhere else has been questioning this again and toni got aware of it.

@drstrangelove

as I wrote 3.1 sources leaked some time ago but were removed a short time after. Looking in them is already illegal even if only for interest (without using them at all)

I am not aware that there are any 1.3 sources but there certainly would be the same

If you want to look in sources Aros is (from what I know) your only realistic option