@BigD

I think its time for you to read this:

http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=397

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Heathen Yule!? Why would I want to read about that? Why don't I travel to Stonehenge today for the Winter Solstice and take up Morris Dancing while I'm at it? That's why December was chosen to celebrate Jesus' birthday to eclipse all this pagan mumbo-jumbo. Seriously, you'd think the so called enlightenment and it's children would love to drag us all back into pagan ritual and idolatry rather than explore our Christian heritage

I suggested a sensible book looking at the facts behind the claims made by Jesus and the early Christian Church and you come back with this?! I'd rather read Commodore: The Final Years that is sitting on my hard drive thank you.

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@BigD

No one knows when Jesus was born.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/when-was-jesus-born/

There are other people worth celebrating.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/89934/6-great-scientists-who-were-born-christmas-day

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interesting subject, but off topic. now,if you ask me if i stayed with amiga? i did. because i dint moved to ng. or rather embraced the only ng option that allows me to stay with amiga at the same time: aros-m68k.

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Daedalus Great! If you're a man of logic then this can be your Easter reading:

Biased much? Bear in mind that many people manage to be convinced of the myth of the resurrection, including your good self of course. Just because one follows logic and reason, doesn't mean that anything that sounds vaguely like logic is reasonable or correct. And, of course, basing the majority of the research on a mediaeval story book of dubious historical accuracy is hardly an sound, objective basis from where to start. Given how prolific both graverobbing and bribery were at the time, it seems utterly bizarre to simply write that off as a simple explanation, especially given Jesus' celebrity status at the time, and instead substitute a magical resurrection and ascension, naturally without leaving any physical evidence or reliable witnesses.

But I can definitely recommend this for your Christmas reading.

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Heathen Yule!? Why would I want to read about that?

Because studying every aspect of a topic is a much better way of understanding it than blindly following the one aspect into which you've been indoctrinated as a child.

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Why don't I travel to Stonehenge today for the Winter Solstice and take up Morris Dancing while I'm at it?

Indeed, why don't you? After all, it's the winter solstice that has been celebrated as the middle of winter for many cultures before it was taken over by Christianity. Besides, it's not all that different from you expecting us all to meet up every Sunday in a stone temple to recite ancient incantations and express our submission to an invisible overlord, guided like sheep by one of his "shepherds".

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That's why December was chosen to celebrate Jesus' birthday to eclipse all this pagan mumbo-jumbo.

Whatever happened to unconditional love and acceptance? Steamrolling one set of mumbo-jumbo out of the way for another set of even less relevant mumbo-jumbo, often with the threatening or use of extreme violence, hardly sounds very Christian now does it?

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Seriously, you'd think the so called enlightenment and it's children would love to drag us all back into pagan ritual and idolatry rather than explore our Christian heritage

And what makes Christian idolatry more valid than Pagan idolatry? The fact that your parents said so?

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I'd rather read Commodore: The Final Years that is sitting on my hard drive thank you.

And there's the crux of the issue, utter denial and close-mindedness.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Maybe the whole holiday thing should be moved to the 12th February and then just say merry Dawin day. At least his story is based on facts and truth rather than myths and hearsay.

@wawa

Isn't the whole thread of topic

@Arnie

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Isn't the whole thread of topic

save for me.

@Arnie

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At least his story is based on facts and truth rather than myths and hearsay.

And yet it isn't. The pseudo scientists involved started from the position of assuming an 'old Earth' and then followed their assumptions backwards to try and force their hypotheses to make sense. Pompous assumptions are backed up with more assumptions by professors who should know better at peer review of these 'pseudo-scientific' biological HISTORY journals!

Evolution has not been proved and all genetics tells is that DNA degrades when it mutates and has never been seen to create entire new species that can't reproduce with itself in controlled experiments. A mutating virus is not an equivalent. Natural selection regarding finch beaks again is not an equivalent. Assumptions built on assumptions trying against everything to be a proper scientific method based science and yet all it is the study of Biological HISTORY and does not resemble any repeatable scientific method 'science' that I've ever studied. Hypothesis based on tertiary sources are all that is available to evolutionary 'historians', unless they'd like to ask God what happened at the creation of man!

An A500+ is an evolution of an A500 because the 'creator' in that case Commodore, decided to evolve the design. No mechanism for the evolution of humans has been found (and definitely none found for a Platypus or Bombardier Beetle). I'll repeat genetic mutations bring weakness, cancer and death not superpowers or new species!!! Fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la

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@wawa

Aros? it sounds to me, is not that bad clone made with Intel platform? Is that an AMIGA ? If you say so.

Feliz Navidad y prospero año nuevo a todos, en especial a los "excepticos.

Merry Christmas and prosperous new year to all, especially to the exceptes.

Virginio

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Well its a shame the AmigaNG markets arent quite working out (I still have hope unlike some) but there still plenty to enjoy and do on what we currently have now, and one great community. Amiga Forever!

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@Daedalus

You are trying to reason person who believes that he's opressed by nanny state because it says that he can't smack his kids.

@Rose

I don't know what oppressive part of the world you live in but reasonable discipline of children with smacking is very much still legal in United Kingdom whatever the Welsh Assembly would have you believe. I know fake news is rife at the moment but making up British legislation is really going some!

I guess you just tell the kids that they'll be put on an imaginary Coca-Cola mascot's naughty list if they cause Mom and Pop grief during the holidays? I don't personally find lying and bribery the best tools to base a parenting strategy on but each to their own.

I've also bought them both Amiga games for Christmas if that makes you feel better? I find that if they risk their own lives by making a dash for the road or by attempting to shove their fingers in the mains power sockets then a smack really is the best option so that they survive into adulthood. However, you might take the view that my children should be raised by the state in a kinda communist commune where they are protected from loving parents at all costs?

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@Daedalus

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Whatever happened to unconditional love and acceptance?

That's Oprah, or... someone. A lot of people seem to think Jesus preached this, but it's really hard to make that case convincingly, since he said so many things to the contrary.

@thread

Merry Christmas!

I guess it's time to change my avatar.

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@bison,

Nah, wait till my birthday, the 26th to change it back.

@QuikSanz

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Nah, wait till my birthday, the 26th to change it back.

There's 12 days of Christmas mate! To get just a partridge and two turtle doves 'aint no Christmas at all

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Rose I don't know what oppressive part of the world you live in but reasonable discipline of children with smacking is very much still legal in United Kingdom whatever the Welsh Assembly would have you believe. I know fake news is rife at the moment but making up British legislation is really going some!

Yikes... Do you have fond memories of being beaten as a child? As I've asked you before, define "reasonable"? Is reasonable physical punishment that which doesn't leave a physical mark?

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I guess you just tell the kids that they'll be put on an imaginary Coca-Cola mascot's naughty list if they cause Mom and Pop grief during the holidays? I don't personally find lying and bribery the best tools to base a parenting strategy on but each to their own.

But you tell your kids they'll burn in eternal damnation because they were born sinners?

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I find that if they risk their own lives by making a dash for the road or by attempting to shove their fingers in the mains power sockets then a smack really is the best option so that they survive into adulthood.

Jesus, I just hope my kids don't become friends with your kids. Because explaining beatings to my children and why some children don't get them while others do is actually a little tricky. I guess because their daddy doesn't love them as much will have to do, though I would never deny my kids friends based on their parents' beliefs.

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However, you might take the view that my children should be raised by the state in a kinda communist commune where they are protected from loving parents at all costs?

Ah, again with the extremism. You brought up God when there was no need, and now you're bringing up communism. What the actual f***?

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bison wrote: @Daedalus Quote: Whatever happened to unconditional love and acceptance? That's Oprah, or... someone. A lot of people seem to think Jesus preached this, but it's really hard to make that case convincingly, since he said so many things to the contrary.

Indeed, it was a loaded question for BigD, who I'm sure will be happy to provide an answer...

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guess because their daddy doesn't love them as much will have to do

I think the reverse is true (quite obviously because your world view is on its head compared to mine). I'll have to explain to my kids that parents who don't love their kids as much don't think discipline is necessary. Trendy lefty types think they can stop children under six from running out into a road or playing with electricity with a diagram and a bag of sweets. More dangerously they like to tell Christians to shut up about Jesus' good news for humanity while telling good parents how they should be doing it and would have no issue with them being locked up and their children being taken into care for giving them a clip on the leg for running off!

Have a Happy Christmas 'ya filthy liberal (this is a Home Alone reference before you report me to the SNP / Thought Police).

If other news; Kid is brought up in a loving home, gets a smack when they were a danger to themselves or others, learns their boundaries and leads a productive life respecting authority - SHOCK!

Seriously though, do you listen to the news? The main problem in this society is parents not caring! The stories of abuse and neglect out of parental selfishness are flooding the press and it probably gets worse at Christmas. Generally as a rule, if you are smacking your children because you are lazy and want time to yourself or you couldn't care less why your child is crying but want them just to shut up then you don't deserve children period. A smack is to train your child not to be a danger to themselves or other people NOT to make a parent's life easier. It is a last resort but used in loving homes across the UK and even in some supermarkets and shopping centres because that's where cars are located and they are dangerous especially to a disobedient or pouting toddler or infant!

I hope that's clear before you escalate this again for your own amusement

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