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Tuxedo 
Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 6:59:28
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@tlosm

Ok, I hope its all ok, asap

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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 8:03:22
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@Tuxedo

Do not even dream to get the same possibilities with QEmu (let's not talk about speed) as you have with your Peg 2 (and forget avout AltiVec).

I think you've just left the AmigaOS 4 world for a while (until you get a new real system).

QEmu will just be a nice proof of concept.

BTW : if you can get a real Sam460 for not too much, go ! You should have a look at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192804577596

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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 8:53:37
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@K-L

at this point is better tuxedo stay with his pegasos2 much more faster than the sam460 for what he do usually (blender). pegasos2 have the only issue that cant use pcie boards ... this because openfirmware dont initialize a pcie gpu on pci-pcie riser.

today.
A threadripper one thread is more faster than sum in computing of the 4 core of the X5000/40 ... the threadripper have 32 thread . with a ram rw about 25 times more faster than a X5000/40

Today you can have a real ps3 (a cell 4ghz) and an Xbox 360 ( 970MP custom 3x3.5 ghz) perfectly emulated. this machines are much much and much more faster than an NG.

Qemu need time but im sure soon will be much more faster than NG too.

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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 12:54:36
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@K-L

As tlosm sayd nonsense to buy a Sam460...Pegasos2 was faster on computing operations...also nonsense buying a Tabor when will be released...
The only option was X1000/X5000 but:

1 - toooo expensive
2 - not so fast for the price they costs

Probably if X1/5000 was double faster I'll considered them but at that point no sorry...I really think that qemu with a pass-through on a mid-end x86(64) cpu can be faster that any real Amiga hw...and I dont care of Amiga hw...only bout AmigaOS...

Lets see how good was that QEMU4...

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Posted on 28-Jan-2019 15:48:30
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@tlosm

Quote:
Qemu need time but im sure soon will be much more faster than NG too.


Could be a long wait, 2030, who knows?

The X5000 is here and surely much faster than a Pegasus and has good Linux support. Run a dual or triple boot system perhaps with Linux/AmigaOS/MorphOS?

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Posted on 28-Jan-2019 15:56:01
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@Tuxedo

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Lets see how good was that QEMU4...


See post 32 in this very thread (to save your time... sloooooooooooow in comparison to Pegasos 2).

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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 16:07:08
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@Tuxedo
You will not get much $ for peg, only will loose time with those sales, packing and co. Its not like you will get 10.000$ for it which can make a deal for, just some hundrends, which will be fly away in the next day.

When i thinking about giving a rest to something about which i may (or may not) regret, i put it to the garage. Like i do with guitar 10 years ago, but then, 2 years ago was happy i not sold out all those guitrars and stuff, and can play with my son some punk rock from time to time.

At least 10-15 years after, you will find it in the dust, and will be happy you not sold it out. Even maybe will power it on for few hours and have some good nastolgy about. Maybe a t this time there will be one or two os4 and morpos updates :)

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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 16:32:52
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@pavlor
Yes, I see that.
But lets se overal feelings.


@kas1e

As stated above, I was never interested to retrocomputing...
Prefer to use emulation...

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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 18:40:29
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@Tuxedo

Since you asked "Time to sell...?" we all answered the question.

Now it's up to you but honsetly you won't do anything with Qemu right now (and won't for the years to come) except some test but do not expect using Qemu for any other thing than testing.

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Posted on 28-Jan-2019 21:07:14
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@Tuxedo
Double fast for run what?

x5000 is the best and fastest computer for run Amigaos,very fast also for morphos and good in linuxppc .

If you want double speed buy a PC....

If you want full linux features support buy a PC...

If you want run amigaos with Quemu very or double fast then wait years .




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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 28-Jan-2019 22:12:22
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@thread

sorry guys...but what do you do with your Amigas?
I was used to do eveything I need with them, and in last months that simply wasnt possible and every day was worst...so, why buy a X1/5000 to run 50% of the time Linux? Why buy an X1/5000 to try to run Google Docs and other things I need in a weird and not fully functional way?

The main problem here was lack of software, and instead of focus our few resources to power up our few good software around we(or they) made new, low powered, and EXPENSIVE nonsense hardwares...
If instead of building up X5000 Trevor & Co. have spent money(I think at least the half) on something like QEMU with a gfx passthrough(or something like that)and Hyperion have focused on refining AmigaOS I think we had a really best solution and user experience...

If the goal was to use AmigaOS as a simple hobby doing somethings in spare time ok...but I like instead to use AmigaOS(if possible) to do what I need every day, to do what I need with fun, but all that was every day less fun because of slowness and bad support...one example on top of others...USB was quite ridiculous wasnt so stable and the mouse on usb was quite a pain, solid window resize sometime(and on some programs) was so slow to be annoying and wasnt acceptable in 2019, on certain circumnstances lost connection, better if my old ps2 mousse wasnt broken...

I hope to explain rather good my point of view(not so good english writer), no interest on offending anyone only trying to explain...

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Posted on 28-Jan-2019 22:18:38
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@Tuxedo

You reply yourself.
Buy a Pc and forget amigaos,morphos,linuxppc.
Only main computer today or pc or intel mac.
No more options.

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Posted on 29-Jan-2019 0:18:03
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@AlicePPC

my point of view ... if you have a pc you can use linux .
if you need to use linux ppc on a pc you can run it on ps3 emulator and is much more faster than x5000...

this is a ps3 emulator on a PC ... it run ps3 games at 4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXHrmfQrzs

this is an xbox 360 emulator on a pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur3JSqEmCPo

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Posted on 29-Jan-2019 6:28:35
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@tlosm
You are right if you need linux then PC.

Dont think i need run ppclinux in pc but also i have the option of use it in x5000.


I have x5000 only for Amigaos and i hope soon we can have Southern Islands support for morphos then X5000 is perfect for i want.
For other things i have macpro intel.
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Re: Time to sell...? (Pegasos2 G4)
Posted on 29-Jan-2019 6:40:32
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@tlosm

LOL, if I want a PS3... I buy a PS3 and it will be less cheaper than an expensive PC.

We understand you love your PC... and that has nothing to do with Amiga.

Have fun with your really slow QEmu

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Posted on 29-Jan-2019 7:57:39
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@K-L

if i have a pc i dont need to buy a PS3, and for sure and expensive pc is more cheeper than an expensive overpriced and slow for today use x5000 (my phone in computing is more faster than it).

Yes qemu is slow like was in 199x era slow basilisk2 and we amigans was smile because we had faster sheepshifter and fusion ... but after some months basilisk become 5 time more faster than an amiga with the faster 68k thank to the jit.

For now yes i stay with slow qemu or the slow winuae but with my pc i can browse for sure all internet, i can use all software that i need at work, i have all software for develeping in every kind of programming language, i can play anthem or pubg, i do everyhing without any compromise and i can move the amigaos and morphos windows.... ps: my pc is 32 times more faster than the x5000/40 and prise little less than it.

i bored to live with compromise and i think like me is bored tuxedo too.


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Posted on 29-Jan-2019 8:31:02
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@tlosm

I was not talking about X5000 but well.

Great, you are now TWO to use (well, test) QEmu. Have a lot of fun

BTW, I think Amiga has no more interest for you, you really should find a site more suitable for you.

We know that you come everyday to say X5000 blabla crap blabla not happy blabla. The fact is that the vast majority of X5000 owners are really (really) happy with it.

You can come everyday to say the exact same thing (hoping that A-Eon/Amigakit won't sold any more systems), no one seems to care about your rant since people continue to buy them.

So, once again, have a lot of fun with your PC because it can go on the Internet with all those Threadripper cores (and once again maybe you should find a forum for Linux users on PC).

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Posted on 29-Jan-2019 13:06:53
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Quote:
of X5000 owners are really (really) happy with it


every one can be happy with his crappies ... im happy with my Powermac g5 quad more faster than the overpriced crappy and my amigaone micro ... the second really good for move amigaos windows like i do with qemu on my threadripper


Quote:
(hoping that A-Eon/Amigakit won't sold any more systems),

No i hope they sell really much ... it will mean will be more people that will understand they trash money with crappy like i did.

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Posted on 29-Jan-2019 16:55:58
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@tlosm

LOL, you are incredible (and we should just stop answering you since you seem to live in your own world).

And BTW, no one cares about what you think about the X5000 since you are the only one to think like that.

And... have lot of fun with you super fast Threadripper and super slow QEmu

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