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Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 12:54:05
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| Whats your feel on the status of Hyperion / OS 3.1.4 _________________ A1200 ACA1232 128MB Indivison MkIICr Elbox empty Power Tower RPi3 Emulating C64 ZX Atari PS BBC Wii with Amiga emulation Vampire v4 SA |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 13:50:38
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| @g01df1sh This should be multi-select.
My choices: MorphOS is king, AROS is good (with two "o"), OS 3.1 (the C= original) rules, glad WinUAE exist, coz it's helpful, and yeah... well... I better not say anything about a certain company with H... _________________ MorphOS, classic Amiga, demoscene, and stuff "When a bridge is not enough, build a Viaduct!" "Strip the Amiga community of speculation and we can fit every forum on a 720k floppy" (by resle) |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 14:00:02
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 14:24:17
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OS 3.1 (the C= original) rules |
But OS3.9 is better and a competitor to OS3.1.4 unless you are still stuck with an unexpanded A500 and then why bother with OS3.1.4 either?_________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 14:29:03
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| @BigD Quote:
Lets just say, opinions differ on that matter._________________ MorphOS, classic Amiga, demoscene, and stuff "When a bridge is not enough, build a Viaduct!" "Strip the Amiga community of speculation and we can fit every forum on a 720k floppy" (by resle) |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 14:46:32
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I can't see why. OS3.9 has the AmiDock and a built in unarchiving tool. Those two bits of bundled software pretty much sell it on their own IMHO. _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 15:15:59
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| @BigD Quote:
There's apparently no part of it which I need, but adds bloat which I don't need. It's just that simple. So I stuck to 3.1. And because I dissatisfied with any company who released anything under the name "AmigaOS" in the past 25 years, I assured I use it legally.
(Note that I don't argue that anyone should change to my preference, I just stated my preference and opinion.)Last edited by Chain-Q on 23-Jan-2019 at 03:16 PM.
_________________ MorphOS, classic Amiga, demoscene, and stuff "When a bridge is not enough, build a Viaduct!" "Strip the Amiga community of speculation and we can fit every forum on a 720k floppy" (by resle) |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 15:47:22
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| BS poll
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 15:48:35
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I have to agree with broadblues on this one. |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 15:51:54
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Fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but there is no company that undervalued the importance of ongoing software development on the Amiga more than Commodore themselves MUI, TurboPrint, Magic Workbench, IDEFix 97, AsimCDFS etc etc all had to come from third parties! H&P and even Hyperion did more to further the OS development than Commodore did. OS3.1 was hardly out of the door before their bankruptcy and OS3.0 was buggy. _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 16:27:17
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 17:26:16
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| It looks like "Hyperion need to die" is the new pancakes. How could a company which was once a positive for the Amiga go so wrong and fall so far from grace?
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BigD wrote: Fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but there is no company that undervalued the importance of ongoing software development on the Amiga more than Commodore themselves MUI, TurboPrint, Magic Workbench, IDEFix 97, AsimCDFS etc etc all had to come from third parties! H&P and even Hyperion did more to further the OS development than Commodore did. OS3.1 was hardly out of the door before their bankruptcy and OS3.0 was buggy. |
C= undervalued the importance of development on the Amiga in general, not just with software. They did finally find a direction and made significant progress culminating in the great AmigaOS 3.1. Yes, it was incomplete much as AmigaOS 3.1.4 is, but good work in the right direction. AmigaOS 3.9 made progress in many areas but had too much licensing of components and not enough organic development of the core components and cohesion of components (resulting in the perceived bloat but much of which can be trimmed). It is difficult to target all 68k Amigas from a 68000+OCS to 68060+RTG and keep all users happy.
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 17:35:54
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I think wrong to put NG vs Classic, or AmigaOS vs AROS vs MorphOS, that just stupid, we have what we have, and think cooperation won't be on the OS side, but if any on the program side and development community, commercial apps and games will have hard time making any money unless they support more than one operating system. This what people should be thinking is cross platform development tools, and communities where sharing and working in cooperation on different projects is the way forward.
We have different end gold maybe, but if designing a game, it should be really easy to scale graphic down to 320x200 if you like lowres, and if people like play the game 1080x720 that should also be doable. Developers need to more flexible when they design there games and programs. They done that on PC for 30 years, on MSDOS/Windows and MacOS.
I think Hyperion has done OK job all considered, something I cannot say about other companies like "Amiga Inc".
I think it's not Hyperion that is biggest problem, but the hardware vendors who make hardware too PC, if had like CIAA/CIAB timer, and digital joystick ports, and maybe included like catweasel be more like hybrid it attract a lot more people, who consider them self-gamers. This should be done from the start.
As for AmigaOS4 being the future or not, well its probably more portable then something almost completely written in machine code / assembler language.
But it only has future if they keep working on it, if they stop working on it, then it has no future. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 23-Jan-2019 at 05:52 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 23-Jan-2019 at 05:40 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 23-Jan-2019 at 05:38 PM.
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 21:04:11
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 22:26:36
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There's apparently no part of it which I need, but adds bloat which I don't need. It's just that simple. So I stuck to 3.1. And because I dissatisfied with any company who released anything under the name "AmigaOS" in the past 25 years, I assured I use it legally. (Note that I don't argue that anyone should change to my preference, I just stated my preference and opinion.) |
I still swear by Windows 3.1 personally. |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 23-Jan-2019 22:34:39
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I use Aros in WinUAE
What should I select now? |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 24-Jan-2019 3:27:10
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| @thread
I also feel left out.
I am using an A1000 with KS 2.04 and WB 2.1. (switchable to KS+WB 1.3)
But also sometimes I tinker with my KLightAmigaForever laptop.
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 24-Jan-2019 5:32:11
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I still swear by Windows 3.1 personally. |
You should at least upgrade to Windows for Workgroups 3.11. _________________ "Unix is supposed to fix that." -- Jay Miner |
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 24-Jan-2019 14:09:05
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Re: Hyperion good or Bad Posted on 25-Jan-2019 1:26:59
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| I selected "Hyperion must die", not just because I think it would be the best thing for our community, and I've said it on more than a few occasions, but also the way the poll options were presented, that was the least disagreeable option.
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