@BigD

With politicians like yours, you don´t need the EU to ruin your nation.

@pavlor

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With politicians like yours, you don´t need the EU to ruin your nation.

True Which is why 'No Deal' plus quickly (in EU terms) negotiating a trade agreement would have actually been better for business because all this uncertainty plus ineffective self serving MPs will not necessarily produce an outcome! Shocking

What exactly do we pay them for?!

... however avoiding having to get involved with further federalistic political integration including a European Army etc is the right thing to do for the UK's long term sanity and prosperity. We will dodge a bullet promote Nato instead and waste less money than the EU bureacrats / Sepp Blatter wannabes!

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@thread

This thread has quite frankly, gone completely off the rails.

There are reasons politics and religion are not generally spoken about - they descend into open warfare because people get massively wound up when other people do not share their narrow minded view of things.

I would suggest the whole Brexit debate, along with the overly religious tones get left at the doorstep, otherwise this thread is going to find itself locked.

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@_Steve_

Personally I think in a "free for all" it *should* be ok to discuss such issues. But in practice I think you're right - people seem to be generally incapable of having sensible debate about polarising issues via an internet forum. And no good comes of it either because nobody tends to be willing to change their opinion.

It's a shame really.

But in any case this discussion has run its course for me - I'm out. Later all!

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@_Steve_

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I would suggest the whole Brexit debate, along with the overly religious tones get left at the doorstep, otherwise this thread is going to find itself locked.

There's nothing really to add about Brexit until Halloween anyway Maybe we could make it a date to reconvene for the European Election results on 26th May? We could all continue to discuss what a great and inspiring leader Jean-Claude Juncker / Donald Tusk / 'INSERT UNTOUCHABLE AND UNELECTABLE POLITBURO TYPE FIGUREHEAD OF THE QUANGO OF CHOICE HERE'!

It will be particularly edifying to discuss how great it is that the UK still gets to send all our MEPs out to Brussels at a cost of £100 million plus (just for the election) for them to do the bidding of Junker / Tusk / 'INSERT UNELECTABLE BY EU CITIZENS COMMUNIST PARTY TYPE QUANGO FIGUREHEAD HERE' and to uphold Schuman, De Gasperi and Adenauer's superior version of democracy!

P.S. Have a great Easter and I pray the celebration of Jesus' sacrificial death for our sins, victory over death itself via his resurrection and ascension will give us all hope that though life (especially politics) does have its low points, we can all have hope of the new life in heaven to come if we have faith in Jesus our Lord and Saviour! If that's not for you then I guess you'll just consume chocolate oblivious to the greater meaning.

Who said politics and religion are not suitable for dinner table conversations

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BrianHoskins wrote: @_Steve_ Personally I think in a "free for all" it *should* be ok to discuss such issues. But in practice I think you're right - people seem to be generally incapable of having sensible debate about polarising issues via an internet forum. And no good comes of it either because nobody tends to be willing to change their opinion. It's a shame really. But in any case this discussion has run its course for me - I'm out. Later all!

It wasn't in free for all though. I moved it here after my post.

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I think the UK politicians are completely incapable of seizing the day and making the best of the opportunities of Brexit. In addition to the Easter message summed up with the below:

John 11:25-26:

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Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die.

... they should also watch the following music video EVERY morning over the parliamentary recess to get an idea of the vibrancy and entrepreneurial spirit of the British people when unshackled from the bureaucratic red tape of the EU. Think of MC Hammer's contract as John Major's capitulation during the Maastricht Treaty fiasco! Compare this video to Eurovision and that demonstrates the unimaginative kludge of general vapidness / embarrassing out of touch thinking we find ourselves shackled to!

YouTube: Utah Saints - Something Good '08

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