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Atari betting us again Posted on 17-Jun-2019 11:55:24
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 17-Jun-2019 19:21:13
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Mmmhhh it seems that its just a game console with AMD CPU/GPU running Linux or Windows using the atari name and look. Niche target Market.
Nice but dont wish that for the Amiga. _________________ A1200PPC / Sam440ep / Sam460ex / X1000 / X5000 OS4.1 |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 0:35:07
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Nice but dont wish that for the Amiga. |
Market relevance and economic success?
You're right. That would be horrible.
I mean, why generate revenue to propel the platform forward?
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 2:58:35
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...and start to make the Amiga great again... |
Seriously? Have you been living underground for the past 25 years or are you simply delusional? Nothing is going to make the Amiga great again. That ship sailed around 1992 and the final nail in the coffin was when Commodore folded. Enjoy your Amigas for what they are, which is a trip down memory lane to what life and computing was like in the late 80's/early 90's. Even the NG Amigas are a good 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of features and performance. The Amiga, NG or Classic, will never grow beyond being a hobby for retro-enthusiasts. |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 4:01:00
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Vampire is great but I don't see any chance of that hitting the $250 starting price of the Atari |
That's because the Vampire is not commoditised x86 hardware running an emulator. It is a re-implementation of 68k and custom chips in FPGA._________________ All the way, with 68k |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 6:44:48
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Market relevance and economic success? |
I find it unlikely that this Atari VCS will find either. That's if it ever is released. |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 8:22:43
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Market relevance and economic success? |
I find it unlikely that this Atari VCS will find either. That's if it ever is released. |
Google Stadia is the new entrant to the console space now. There is no room for a fifth entrant to the market. This has Gizmondo / NGage size failure written all over it IMHO._________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 10:31:56
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It looks like it is just an X86 box running an emulator. For that we have had UAE for ages and amikit, have been able to boot on it's own for a long time. https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/
The only way Atari is beating us here is marketing. _________________
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 13:30:45
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This is pretty cool. It's retro marketing done right.
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 14:34:50
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Exactly if the vampire had good marketing and a good price point retro Amiga could do so much better _________________ A1200 ACA1232 128MB Indivison MkIICr Elbox empty Power Tower RPi3 Emulating C64 ZX Atari PS BBC Wii with Amiga emulation Vampire v4 SA |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 19:09:23
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 20:17:40
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Yeah we have been able to emulate nicely for many years but that is not really what this is about.
This is about delivering a nice polished end user product for old user and curious younger ones. Atari will now be doing this and original poster is right that Amiga failed hard on this even though the parts needed were (almost) available.
This is the difference between a few downloads of an emulator and people printing cases for Raspery and being able to buy a product working out of the box.
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 18-Jun-2019 22:02:23
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Should be done with out needing a emulator which is why the vampire would be perfect. It just needs a nice case good marketing and a good price . _________________ A1200 ACA1232 128MB Indivison MkIICr Elbox empty Power Tower RPi3 Emulating C64 ZX Atari PS BBC Wii with Amiga emulation Vampire v4 SA |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 19-Jun-2019 12:00:34
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| That's simple. Because Atari trademark and IP history has not been spread across half dozen under-sized but over-litigious companies, so the current owner can easily capitalize on it. Moreover, there's not any "Atarian community" childishly fighting anything that will use the Atari brand being different from a Lynx, from a 800/400 or a ST computer.
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 19-Jun-2019 14:36:59
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Should be done with out needing a emulator which is why the vampire would be perfect. |
A Vampire in a nice case would be something quite different. The Atari VCS is designed for streaming and for playing modern games. A Vampire would not be able to do that.
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 19-Jun-2019 17:06:17
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Yes, the Atari beats the Amiga again.
They will have a sleek looking box, ready to use and available from many places. It depends a little bit what you are looking for, but the Vampire is nothing like this and will never be.
The best similar thing we can hope for is for someone to produce a ready to use computer, with some nice styling and using modern hardware. It can perhaps be based on the Checkmate box, with a suitable x86 hardware and modern graphics. It will for sure not be running AmigaOS 3 or 4. The realistic choices are AROS and MorphOS.
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 19-Jun-2019 18:57:48
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It can perhaps be based on the Checkmate box, with a suitable x86 hardware and modern graphics. It will for sure not be running AmigaOS 3 or 4. The realistic choices are AROS and MorphOS. |
In your opinion . That doesn't interest me in the slightest. If I buy a x86 machine I'll run macOS or Windows on it I'm afraid unless the A.L.I.C.E. laptop gets a worldwide distribution and then I may bite.
I'd prefer to buy a Tabor than a x86 box though.Last edited by BigD on 19-Jun-2019 at 06:58 PM. Last edited by BigD on 19-Jun-2019 at 06:58 PM.
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 19-Jun-2019 22:53:57
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The Atari was inferior and unexpandable right from the start. Uncle Jack cut too many corners in his speed to beat the Amiga out of the gate. He succeeded, but the first 250,000 buyers were programmers and they soon found they had nothing to program except games at 320 x 200 res with 512 colors. No video signal, no genlock, no accelerator slots, no non-linear editing, no Lightwave 3D, No World Construction set, No TV Paint Professional, No DPaint V, not much of anything but an overpriced game playing machine. Even Atari Pagestream soon jumped ship to the Amiga. I lived through the 8 bit revolution and watched all this happening. I never regretted buying my first A500. I was making money with mine and playing games where my ST friends couldn't even display an animation anywhere but another ST. I just built a new Amiga 1200 out of a Raspberry Pi with HDMI output to my 32" TV at 1024 x 768 and have 2500 games installed. Yes, I know it's emulation, but only cost me $120 minus cost of the ten year old 32" TV. Look at the way Amiga prices have soared in ebay as the demand has far outstripped the supply. People who weren't even born yet in 1994 want one. Put that in your Atari pipe and smoke it. |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 19-Jun-2019 23:12:47
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I lived just over the coastal range from Sunnyvale and Atari couldn't even supply our computer stores with demo models. Is history going to repeat itself? What's more these newer games require a download and you have to let them inside your computer. This I do not allow, thus I'm still playing Command & Conquer - Putin's, (oops I mean Yuri's) Revenge, the only version that generates random battlemaps ensuring a different game every time. The successor to Napalm (N2 Euroburn) was to include a battlemap editor. If only someone would license and finish it. The graphics are awesome! From Clickboom. |
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Re: Atari betting us again Posted on 20-Jun-2019 2:59:15
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Amiga was beating so many on and off again. Amiga has been beaten on and off again at various price to tech ratios. Amiga is not looking to beat and displace everyone out of the market. Amiga is looking to be the best Amiga possible as always. _________________ Quote:
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