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BigD 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 16:44:30
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@Mimifan (edit: some guy in July 2019 started this thread he must have been a prophet )

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Goodbye Amigaone


...and thanks for all the fish!

(Ed: Sorry for the hurt I caused geen_naam by implying he started/resurrected this thread but the resurrection was by number6 (Ed. It is a small 'n' let's not upset him too) and we are oh so glad that he did aren't we boys and girls? )

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Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 17:02:53
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@BigD

? You're replying to me but quoting someone else.

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matthey 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 20:19:00
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clebin Quote:

I doubt the MorphOS devs would want to get into that quagmire, and I don't know if Cloanto would be that interested in the moribund PPC market.


There wouldn't be a quagmire if MorphOS became the new AmigaOS. Amiga Corporation could license the "Amiga" name as "Amiga MorphOS" right now without winning the lawsuit. Yes, the PPC market is not very interesting but "Amiga MorphOS" for x86-64 with SMP, 64 bit addressing, memory protection and process isolation may be more interesting. I expect Amiga branding would help "Amiga MorphOS" x86-64 but the introduction on the desktop could be challenging at 79 while lacking software support.

clebin Quote:

Far from "destroy their businesses", the end of OS4 would be doing AmigaKit a favour in my opinion. Given the posts about service I've read recently and my own experience - and with the greatest respect to them - I think they're spreading themselves too thinly and would be better focusing on their core business. Is OS4 hardware a sustainable business or a hobby project for the people involved? I've always imagined it's the latter.


I think Trevor hoped that PPC Amigas would sell well enough that production could be ramped up allowing prices to be reduced. This dream didn't look so far fetched until Apple bought P.A. Semi and ARM caught up with PPC in performance. Also, the initial niche market prices of the x1000 and x5000 systems (including AmigaOS 4) was too high to sell enough systems to ramp up production. Maybe the Tabor A1222 would have been more successful if the CPU had used the more compatible e500mc cores and AmigaOS 4 PPC development cost was cheaper and perhaps could have been shared with AmigaOS 3 68k development to lower the cost of the AmigaOS. The A1222 project has turned into a nightmare for A-Eon.

Matthew at AmigaKit has openly been a supporter of the 68k. Ben at Hyperion decided he liked the 68k AmigaOS more than the PPC AmigaOS when he realized he could make more money from the larger market and cheaper development costs. Michele Battilana at Cloanto has made most of his Amiga profit from the 68k market. That only leaves Trevor who wants mid to high performance desktop Amigas and thinks PPC is the way to get there?

clebin Quote:

Of interest to me is what happened if a liquidator takes over control of Hyperion and starts selling off assets. What source code do they actually own that could be sold off, either to Cloanto or to community crowdfunding? OS 3.2 is a lovely piece of work, but what is the status of that code if Hyperion went under?


I think A-Eon/AmigaKit could also be in the bidding for any liquidated Hyperion IP assets but the assets would be less valuable to them without first obtaining licenses from Amiga Corporation. If the Amiga parties win a summary judgement then Amiga Corporation controls the Amiga brand. Hyperion could survive the lawsuit loss if they don't have to pay back revenue from the 68k AmigaOS but would likely be out of the picture as far as AmigaOS development. They may retain some AmigaOS IP developed on top of AmigaOS 3.1 but it would be in their best interest to sell what they are not forced to give to the Amiga parties for payment of AmigaOS 4. Some of the IP and source code used by Hyperion for the AmigaOS are only licensed and may not be transferable or usable on certain architectures. For example, Hyperion claims to own Reaction which is integrated into the AmigaOS so are they required to give Reaction to Amiga Corporation or just the source code which then requires a license from Hyperion. P96 being integrated into the AmigaOS 4 graphics.library is another potential problem which may require an iComp license and not only for the PPC this time. The RoadShow is likely licensed from Olsen and maybe only for the PPC. The IP and source code rights could be a legal mess long after lawsuits and/or liquidations are done.

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Kronos 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 21:02:10
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There wouldn't be a quagmire if MorphOS became the new AmigaOS.


Amiga(OS) is the quagmire so no no and no again don't even start this nonsense!

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matthey 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 21:52:04
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Kronos Quote:

Amiga(OS) is the quagmire so no no and no again don't even start this nonsense!


The quagmire comes from too many businesses being involved with the Amiga, especially the AmigaOS. They are stepping on each others feet instead of working together in synchronous harmony. They duplicate efforts. They waste money consulting lawyers for external cooperation and contracts. They waste more money on lawyers when there are disagreements. They are slow to act because of all the communication needed and they can block each others progress.

Cloanto/Amiga Corporation, Hyperion, A-Eon, AmigaKit

"Amiga MorphOS" would simplify the situation as there are fewer entities involved. Amiga Corporation may want to develop the Amiga brand organically rather than through licensing after putting it back together which would be simpler yet but more internal work.

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Kronos 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 22:11:36
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@matthey

There are the exactly right amount of "entities" involved in MorphOS as it is right now.

None and I repeat none of those involved with TheName(tm) right now would benefit it, all they would do is bring destructive forces into play.

Let that ship sink.

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TRIPOS 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 23:13:02
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@Kronos

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Kronos wrote:

Let that ship sink.


Yes! I agree completely!

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