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Argo 
Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 7:24:39
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@TiredofLife

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bison wrote:
@simplex

[quote]What resources do AROS' developers have to stave off a lawsuit?

Right now: obscurity.


Really?
That hasn't saved the rest of the Amiga world from legal action. [/quote]

Well, Parts of AROS were in AmigaOS 3.5, 3.9 That might help

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
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@ppcamiga1

Mui is not the standard GUI on AmigaOS never has been.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 8:02:06
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@terminills

MUI is standard gui on Amiga and always was.

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Argo 
Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
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@terminills

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@ppcamiga1

Mui is not the standard GUI on AmigaOS never has been.



he lives in an alternate reality zone

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 8:43:15
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@ppcamiga1

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AROS is not compatible with Amiga Os 3.x.

Clearly false, as I have systems running an unholy blend of OS3.x and AROS/68k components.

Quote:
ZUNE is worth nothing crap.

It is "Zune", not "ZUNE", unlike MUI which stands for "Magic User Interface", Zune is not an acronym. And I prefer Zune over MUI4/MUI5 any day.

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It is easier to port software from Amiga Os 3.x to Windows, than to AROS.

That explains the staggering number of Amiga ports to Windows. Luckily, software does not need to be ported to AROS, Amiga software runs on AROS/68k as they are.

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Amiga Os 4.x has original MUI that is fully compatible with good old MUI 3.8 from Amiga Os 3.x
No, the only place you can find original compatible MUI is MorphOS - the OS4 fork (MUI4, and now MUI5) has plenty of problems (and if you don't believe me, ask Thore Böckelmann himself) and for old MUI titles, one is often better off using MUI3.8. I talk from experience, with commercial titles like Digital Universe and WCS.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 8:51:39
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@ppcamiga1

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MUI is standard gui on Amiga and always was.


You know, MUI was invented in August of 1993 (according to changelog), about the same time OS 3.1 came around.

There was no MUI when the A1200 and A4000 were shipped, no MUI when then A3000 and A600 were shipped, no MUI when A2000 and A500 were shipped and certainly no MUI when A1000 was shipped.

So again - hogwash - you are full of it.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 9:05:18
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@kolla

Remember when Amiga's Witness like him were foaming how ReAction is THE REAL!!!!

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OlafS25 
Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 10:03:56
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@ppcamiga1

tell that on morph.zone...

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
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@ppcamiga1

funny

as a Aros hater with firm convictions I do not believe you have ever tried to port something to Aros... BTW what software have you developed?

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 10:11:07
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@ppcamiga1

BTW you can even replace Zune with MUI 3.8 as long you use Magellan as desktop

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 10:51:17
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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The new style interface table, are normal C style function, so all arguments use stack based arguments.


Not exactly. It uses the SysV ABI, which places the first 8 arguments in registers. At least if the compiler follows convention.

This would fit most function arguments, the exception being those big Gfx library calls with a large number of parameters.

https://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Introduction_to_Exec#Calling_a_Library_Function

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 11:08:18
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@Thread

Are we still talking about ExecSG ?

Last edited by K-L on 29-Oct-2019 at 11:08 AM.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 11:18:23
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@terminills

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Mui is not the standard GUI on AmigaOS never has been.


Perhaps it would be better to say MUI is a defacto standard GUI on AmigaOS.

Initially linked with Magic WB icons. It become a popular a GUI with both users and developers alike. So much so it is preferred by some users, AmigaOS4 installs it into System as standard, and as stated it's the MorphOS native GUI.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
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@Hypex

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Perhaps it would be better to say MUI is a defacto standard GUI on AmigaOS.


Most certainly you could argue that. However, it doesn't change the fact that it was never shipped as the default layout engine for any version of AmigaOS currently released.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 12:10:32
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@K-L

No

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rzookol 
Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 12:10:38
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@kolla

Amiga 1200 Surfer pack came with MUI and MUI apps.

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 12:13:26
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@kolla

MUI 3.8 is the standard

I am not aware of anything that needs MUI 4 or 5 and would be a candidate for a port

4.X software uses reaction and on MorphOS there is not much 3rd party activity right now

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 12:35:47
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@OlafS25

I still don't understand why AmigaOS4 users think that MorphOS doesn't have 3rd party software.

Big software updates:
Ace, Iris, Vim Mui, Office.mcc, WebRadio, new Mplayer, Leu are all MUI based
and NetFS as not MUI based.

Sorry but i've checked http://os4depot.net/?function=recent and comparing to MorphOS releases, OS4 ones are either quick ports of linux libraries (already included in MorphOS SDK like libjpeg....), either things existing on both systems like RNOPDF, ScummVm, Hollywood+plugins, SDL games

Only two importants apps for AmigaOS4 from the last 4 months are:
- new version of Report+
- ZitaFTP Server
... and You are talking about lack of 3rd party development on MorphOS?

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Posted on 29-Oct-2019 12:55:05
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@rzookol

I am not interested in OS4 but 68k (Aros 68k)

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Re: A-EON announces acquisition of AmigaOS 4 kernel 'Exec SG'
Posted on 29-Oct-2019 13:01:00
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@rzookol

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OS4 ones are either quick ports of linux libraries


Your check is wrong :) SDL1 and SDL2 are VEEERY non fast-dirty ports. You probabaly not follow discussions on amigans.net as you most in interst in morphos, but both libraries was so heavy updated, bugfixed, and "being native as possible" (with all fancy things like iconification, realtime addiing/removing of resize gadget, support of compositing , all sorts of opengl , etc,etc). It can't be of course called as "fast and dirty ports".

Next, "glSnoop". Again you probabaly not follow discussion at amigans.net, but it started as attempt to port ApiTrace, but then turned out to be writen from scratch, fully native (with all sort of amigaos-only-specific-patching and things) tool, which can trace and profile opengl2.library and warp3dnova.library. Its native veeeery much.

Then in that "recent" list i can see "amigaamp". Again, fully native amigaos4 version with reaction gui and all sort of support of system features like notifications, asl, and co.

Then Zita too, yes.

And then there is some linux ports (of course, the same as on morphos), as well as those libraries about which you told come as default for morphos SDK, they there not like first one happens, its just once new versions out, someone update it so to have latest version on os4depot. Not just we only now port those libraries like "Fast dirty linux port".

Then there is also some hollowood stuff, same as on morphos.

I told in another topic before , its all the same on both oses. But if you check recent list on os4depot carefull (and if you wish to find truth), then things is not like you say.

Its on both oses the same. Not like "hey , see , we have on morphos more!" . No, both oses suck some amiga1200, even if one want to say that my omiga bigger than your :)









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