Poster | Thread |
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 31-Oct-2019 16:17:20
| | [ #21 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 3-Nov-2019 14:46:16
| | [ #22 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @jacadcaps
Good work. So what is the source for Iris? If it needed ObjC and a MUI framework to function. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Xenic
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 3-Nov-2019 16:19:50
| | [ #23 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 2-Feb-2004 Posts: 1246
From: Pennsylvania, USA | | |
|
| @Hypex
Quote:
One major problem YAM has is the inability to look at pictures. They should be displayed with the email. Instead it gives you a list. The list is useless. Double clicking a picture just gives an error that MultiView can't be opened. I thought MUI supported images. |
It works for me. Check out your YAM Configuration/MIME settings. Here is what I have for the default viewer (bottom of MIME page): SYS:Utilities/Multiview PUBSCREEN Internet "%s". If you have replaced Multiview with Multiviewer then your setting should be the path to Multiviewer.
Quote:
It also needs HTML. Almost every email looks crap. HTML is a type of Multipurpose Internet Mail Extension. YAM has never supported it. It's a mail extension by definition, text/html. There is no escaping any longer. |
It would be nice to have HTML built in but I run YAM & Odyssey on a seperate 'Internet' screen and have my YAM MIME settings send the HTML to Odyssey if I double-click the HTML in an email message. My text/html MIME 'Viewer' setting looks like this: OpenURL FILE T:html.html `copy *>NIL: QUIET %s T:html.html`. Note the hash marks around the copy part. AmigaDOS executes that before calling Odyssey. I have openurl.library installed and have the openurl command in C: but URLOpen might work too.
I temporarily changed my GMAIL setting to accept messages from unknown clients (I think GMail calls them 'unsecure') and sent a message to my GMail address and and was able to D/L it with YAM (along with some warning messages from Google). I think Linux Thunderbird messages might be accepted so it could be interresting to check what Thunderbird has for client ID in a raw email and try editing a raw email in YAM and change the client settings to those used by Thunderbird. (At your own risk of course )_________________ X1000 with 2GB memory & OS4.1FE |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
kolla
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 4-Nov-2019 6:13:36
| | [ #24 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 20-Aug-2003 Posts: 2859
From: Trondheim, Norway | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
jacadcaps
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 4-Nov-2019 8:30:34
| | [ #25 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 20-Nov-2007 Posts: 203
From: Canada | | |
|
| @Hypex
Quote:
So what is the source for Iris? If it needed ObjC and a MUI framework to function. |
MUI.framework was designed to make Iris possible.
Iris is a fully native application written entirely by me (50k+ lines of code and over 300 classes) in ObjectiveC++.
That said, making it possible required modifying intuition, MUI (reference counting, UTF-8 support), the SDK (to enable objc), Odyssey (stripping it down to leave just a plain webview), porting vmime (by Nicho), writing cryptostorage.library (by Piru). |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 5-Nov-2019 14:17:37
| | [ #26 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @Xenic
Quote:
It works for me. Check out your YAM Configuration/MIME settings. Here is what I have for the default viewer (bottom of MIME page): SYS:Utilities/Multiview PUBSCREEN Internet "%s".If you have replaced Multiview with Multiviewer then your setting should be the path to Multiviewer. |
Thanks. I took another look. I have MultiViewer installed but still like to use MultiView. By default YAM has the "%s" first which is fine. But I found a problem with the PUBSCREEN setting. It was set to YAM when I had called the screen Email. If it had told me that instead of telling me there was an 8009 error running MultiView I would have spotted it straight away. I hate those cryptic errors.
I found PNG isn't set up nor GIF. So set that up. Strangely JPG as set so it had the extension htm.
Quote:
It would be nice to have HTML built in but I run YAM & Odyssey on a seperate 'Internet' screen and have my YAM MIME settings send the HTML to Odyssey if I double-click the HTML in an email message. |
I already had a text/html set up from somewhere. It actually worked. Set to use MultiView.
Quote:
I temporarily changed my GMAIL setting to accept messages from unknown clients (I think GMail calls them 'unsecure') and sent a message to my GMail address and and was able to D/L it with YAM (along with some warning messages from Google). I think Linux Thunderbird messages might be accepted so it could be interresting to check what Thunderbird has for client ID in a raw email and try editing a raw email in YAM and change the client settings to those used by Thunderbird. |
I can actually unspam myself and so I can email myself. If I want to be a nomad no mates emailng to myself. But I didn't bother because it doesn't help when emailing other people. Sure I can tell them to check the spam folder but it isn't always obvious and they still might not see it.
Could be interesting to see what Thunderbird uses. Was always interested where all those ID numbers came from. The most hacking I've done is to change the From field in YAM. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
OneTimer1
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 5-Nov-2019 17:22:59
| | [ #27 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 3-Aug-2015 Posts: 962
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @Rose
Quote:
Read again in the link you presented us.
Quote:
Stack-based buffer overflow in Microsoft Office XP SP3, Office 2003 SP3, Office 2007 SP2, Office 2010, Office 2004 and 2008 for Mac, Office for Mac 2011, and Open XML File Format Converter for Mac ...
|
The problem is Microsoft not RTF, they are all using the same code and all have the same problems. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Rose
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 5-Nov-2019 17:41:27
| | [ #28 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 5-Nov-2009 Posts: 982
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @OneTimer1 Quote:
Quote:
Stack-based buffer overflow in Microsoft Office XP SP3, Office 2003 SP3, Office 2007 SP2, Office 2010, Office 2004 and 2008 for Mac, Office for Mac 2011, and Open XML File Format Converter for Mac ...
|
The problem is Microsoft not RTF, they are all using the same code and all have the same problems. |
Yeah, I get that reading is hard. Look it again also Mac is vulnerable. And that was just a list at time when vulnerability was found. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
jacadcaps
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 5-Nov-2019 18:34:07
| | [ #29 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 20-Nov-2007 Posts: 203
From: Canada | | |
|
| @Hypex
Trying to "spoof" as Thunderbird will not help with GMail - what really matters is how you authenticate. Your client would need to support OAuth2 for those problems to really go away. Last edited by jacadcaps on 05-Nov-2019 at 06:34 PM.
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
K-L
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 5-Nov-2019 20:07:59
| | [ #30 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 3-Mar-2006 Posts: 1410
From: Oullins, France | | |
|
| @jacadcaps
SimpleMail has no problem with Gmail. I'm using it daily _________________ PowerMac G5 2,7Ghz - 2GB - Radeon 9650 - MorphOS 3.14 AmigaONE X1000, 2GB, Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 FPGA Replay + DB 68060 at 85Mhz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 6-Nov-2019 14:53:25
| | [ #31 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @kolla
Quote:
Would think this could be used... |
Looks promising. But left to gather dust. Description is strange. Replaces MCC_TextEditor? Really? I replace the TextEditor with this HMTL viewer and all my YAM HTML problems go away? |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 6-Nov-2019 14:59:30
| | [ #32 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @jacadcaps
Wow that is some major work. Amazing to think how much work goes into an application like an email client. But today is a complicated world.
Is Iris fairly tied to MorphOS? Or are ports to other Amiga flavours possible in the future? |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 6-Nov-2019 15:07:59
| | [ #33 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @OneTimer1
Quote:
The problem is Microsoft not RTF, they are all using the same code and all have the same problems. |
I was copying some text from a PDF and pasting it into Word. I needed to retain formatting so used paste special. It listed RTF as the one with the formatting intact. So, internally, even Microsoft uses RTF.
I wonder if I could infect Windows by copying a corrupt text and pasting it as RTF? Are all stylised text in danger of being corrupted? Don't open that email. Don't even look at it. And for Microsake don't copy and paste any text, it could contain a virus, it could be RTF. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 6-Nov-2019 15:11:53
| | [ #34 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @K-L
Is there a migrating from YAM to SimpleMail guide around? I might need it. Installed on my X1000 but I'm still being a fan of YAM. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
K-L
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 6-Nov-2019 17:43:28
| | [ #35 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 3-Mar-2006 Posts: 1410
From: Oullins, France | | |
|
| @Hypex
I don't think so unfortunately... _________________ PowerMac G5 2,7Ghz - 2GB - Radeon 9650 - MorphOS 3.14 AmigaONE X1000, 2GB, Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 FPGA Replay + DB 68060 at 85Mhz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
ktadd
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 7-Nov-2019 4:12:55
| | [ #36 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 30-Jul-2003 Posts: 589
From: California, USA | | |
|
| @Hypex
Quote:
Is there a migrating from YAM to SimpleMail guide around? |
Sorry, can't help with a guide but see kt_scripts for AREXX scripts that let you view html email in Odyssey at the press of a key with SimpleMail. A couple other scripts as well. kt_scripts at OS4Depot link_________________ Kevin - X1000 First Contact / uA1 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
jacadcaps
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 7-Nov-2019 21:50:14
| | [ #37 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 20-Nov-2007 Posts: 203
From: Canada | | |
|
| @Hypex
Quote:
Or are ports to other Amiga flavours possible in the future? |
I think it's unlikely that there'd be anyone willing to port it given the extensive list of dependencies. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hypex
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 19-Jun-2021 16:58:32
| | [ #38 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 6-May-2007 Posts: 11180
From: Greensborough, Australia | | |
|
| @Alll
So I just got Yahoo working with YAM again. I'm sticking with an old 2020 version as I tried the latest nightly and it crashed. But it still has other bugs. I had disabled an old account and set up Yahoo in all the settngs and made Yahoo the only active one. The POP3 and SMTP settings work on the server. But when I tried to send an email it is using the old server I disactivated! I can see I will need to delete it all as YAM ignores it. So annoying. I don't know what are in all those nightly updates are as YAM hardly looks different and always has some bug. Perhaps a feature freeze would be best and fix all bugs until futher notice would work better. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
A1200
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 19-Jun-2021 19:21:43
| | [ #39 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 5-May-2003 Posts: 3087
From: Westhall, UK | | |
|
| Just buy a PC already. Why torture yourself? _________________ Amiga A1200, 3.1 ROMs, Blizzard 1230 MKIV 64MB & FPU, 4GB DoM SSD, Workbench 3.1 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
AmigaMac
| |
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client? Posted on 20-Jun-2021 13:36:54
| | [ #40 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 26-Oct-2002 Posts: 1094
From: 3rd Rock from the Sun! | | |
|
| @A1200
Quote:
A1200 wrote: Just buy a PC already. Why torture yourself? |
That’s also considered torture to some people _________________
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|