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OlafS25 
Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 12:32:13
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@nikosidis

you have almost completed your way to the dark side of the power ;)

back to the past so to say ;)

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 12:39:21
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@OlafS25

HAHA. Yes :)

It is not only me it seams

I'm so glad it happend.

Retro is the old new :D

To be serious it is so many good things about old hardware.
Pixel gfx are not pixel gfx on HD resolutions. You must see the pixels. It is its own artform. I don't like games to look so releastic except when we talk about simulatiors. I also love chip music and I even think Paula sound fantastic and the limitations there with 4 channels, 8 bit etc. make something special.
Platform games, shooters, Pinball games etc. never worked good in 3D.
It can be Nice to use some 3D effects but mostly it make me sick. It is a mess.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 12:53:36
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@terminills

That is not entirely true but you sure got a point :)


What's not entirely true?

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 12:53:52
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@nikosidis

the new 3D games look fantastic, almost like movies

But I too prefer the old games

We will never see the newest Egoshooter on Amiga but I do not need that

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
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@nikosidis

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AROS 68k, yes. ARM I lost belive in. One Developer is not enough.


That's rather insulting considering the "one" developer you speak of is the father of AROS native.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:01:13
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you are all taking personal it seems

Hopefully the "one" developer will keep the motivation and someday there will be a RPi-Version. He is also helping with 68k right now.

That nikosidis is sceptic is based from a number of aros projects that stalled because the only developer behind it lost motivation. It is no comment about if the developer is able to do it or not.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
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@OlafS25

Not taking it personally just stating it's insulting. ;D


I didn't even get into the fact that each branch helps the others so, therefore, it's never just "one" developer.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:10:05
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@terminills

he just expressed his view

he now uses A1200 with 3.1 and is happy

but regarding Aros on ARM and RPi you need drivers and adaptions that are specific for the hardware and there is only one developer right now working on it

So it is not totally wrong either

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
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@OlafS25

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but regarding Aros on ARM and RPi you need drivers and adaptions that are specific for the hardware and there is only one developer right now working on it

So it is not totally wrong either



The only correct part of what was said is you need drivers and a bootloader. Other than that most of the code is shared among branches.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:24:12
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@terminills

There are simply some devs. that like to please, help with things you want without taking money for it. If you burn for something it is not always a nagative thing to do things for free. Being a part of a Project like AROS it is not all about developing either. I valenter gladly to beta test, help out. Not many reported as many bugs as I have and many times they got fixed mostly for free. Does beta test without money make me unhappy? Not a all. I do it cause I enjoy it.
It is a hobby.
I play guitar and no, I don't take all my equpment to a pub and play for free but I have played for free on many other ocations.

Regarding the one developer doing the ARM port I have big respect for that man as I know him. He does all he can but this is a huge task. If it will ever happen it will take loooong time. It has nothing about disrespect. If he prove me wrong I will eat my hat.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:27:33
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@nikosidis

be careful what you promise

we want proof for that (video)

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:32:31
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Haha, you got a point there

AROS booting on Pi and USB stack working with keyboard, mouse might happen.

As we talked about this is realy not much without software running on it.

As I understood it will be binary compatible with Amiga classic. That sound great but I like to see classic games, demos etc. running on it. That I don't think will happen but lets hope.

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games and demos cannot run on it without UAE because almost anything native amiga needs AGA. The concept is like Petunia translating 68k in ARM code so it can run on Aros RPi. Only applications might work with it. Or games only using the OS but that are rare for sure. Or SDL games.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
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@OlafS25

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The concept is like Petunia translating 68k in ARM code so it can run on Aros RPi.



That was the old concept. The new one is AROS 68K running entirely on the bare metal emulator closer to Amithlon(without the linux kernel) than pentunia.

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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:44:17
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@OlafS25

Yes, that is kind of what I tought. It is not right almost everything needs AGA. Most that are made for classic are OCS, but it is the same story :)

If it is like this I have a little problem with the concept. I would rather have WinUAE on a powerfull x86 computer.


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Re: Amiga NG Third Generation - a viable way
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Ok that would be like Amithlon without the legal problems. Sounds nice

Still the problem that many programs directly access the hardware without OS

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Posted on 27-Nov-2019 13:47:13
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@nikosidis

you are right... correctly I should have written "original chipsets"

from the benchmarks he made it is very very fast and of course cheap

Still a nice concept

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If it is like Terminills say it is very nice and interesting. I must still be allowed to say it will be difficult with 1 developer. Again the developer is fantastic but it is a huge tast!

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Still the problem that many programs directly access the hardware without OS



Well yes, it's not designed for demos or hardware banging. It's designed for people to use it as an OS on a cheap relatively fast machine.

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Posted on 27-Nov-2019 14:07:22
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If it is like Terminills say it is very nice and interesting. I must still be allowed to say it will be difficult with 1 developer. Again the developer is fantastic but it is a huge tast!


It was mostly usable when he changed the design from a BE arm binary to a 68K binary on top of an emulator.

That being said what flavor is your hat?

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