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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 10:20:28
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Hey, don't bully ppcamiga1. He is a husk of himself, because his favorite CPU architecture fizzled out after the Apple Intel transition as a desktop platform. His only joy is repeating the same thing in every thread over and over again. Just let him fling crap in peace, and call everybody haters and bashers _________________ This is just like television, only you can see much further. |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 10:27:18
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 13:08:14
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 13:21:19
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Not really
It's 64 bit little endian. Might as well be x86 or ARM. And it's for GPU computing. _________________
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 21:27:00
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And why then there is more active developers on Classic than NG? |
Where? There is more active developers on NG than classic.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 21:34:19
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| @terminills
From devoper perspective classic graphics is as outdated as punching cards and not worth additional time and work.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 22:21:31
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My joy is to use Amiga. It is joy, it is fun, it is hobby, it is NG. There is no fun in use of classic graphics, famous lack of chunky pixels is what made classic graphics too slow and outdated, and not worth time and work.
Main problem with x86/ARM on Amiga is that AROS followers are too stupid to get that change to cpu that not work in 32 bit big endian mode changes everything. It is simple old 68k apps peek and poke to os and other apps and expect data in 32 bit big endian format. Change cpu to that not work in 32 bit big endian breaks compatybility. First thing that should be done after breaking compatybility with 68k apps was to add memory protection. It was not done and that why AROS x86 failed. In 2020 We will be celebrating 20 th anniversary of adding JIT to uae. 2000 uae with JIT is in 2020 still more usable than AROS x86, little slower but compatible.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 15-Jan-2020 22:58:03
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Hehe, yes I know. It is sad that Amigaworld.net is spamed with so much crap.
I use and follow Commodore/Amiga group on face. That is very nice place to be. Great, happy people :) |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 7:59:13
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You have to let go of your hate, and only then can you break the cycle of crap _________________ This is just like television, only you can see much further. |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 10:27:47
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| @BSzili
This guy is a hater from the wrong side of town. If he was from the right side, there would be no issues with this poison as evident by the history of this forum. |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 10:43:00
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you seem to be a expert there |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 10:44:37
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it is ok when you have fun using "NG"
But why do you want to spoil the fun of others? |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 11:24:38
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| @ppcamiga1
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ppcamiga1 wrote: @terminills
From devoper perspective classic graphics is as outdated as punching cards and not worth additional time and work.
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As the person who owns Final Writer, I can tell you right now that if I didn't enjoy AROS there would be NO NG(AOS4, MorphOS, AROS) version of Final Writer due to lack of return on investment. It would have made much more sense for me to simply enhance the classic version of it and had it released already._________________ Support AROS sponsor a developer.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 12:44:33
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it is ok when you have fun using "NG"
But why do you want to spoil the fun of others? |
It's like when you struggle to lose weight, so you get all your friends to get fat, instead._________________ I HAVE ABS OF STEEL -- CAN YOU SEE ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OK FOR WORK |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 12:55:56
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it is ok when you have fun using "NG"
But why do you want to spoil the fun of others? |
It's like when you struggle to lose weight, so you get all your friends to get fat, instead. |
That's literally the answer to my weight problems!!! :D You sir are a genius. :)_________________ Support AROS sponsor a developer.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 12:57:39
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It's like when you struggle to lose weight, so you get all your friends to get fat, instead. |
LOL Spot on!_________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga |
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 16-Jan-2020 23:53:29
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...and that why AROS x86 failed. |
I don’t remember receiving that memo.
You forget that classic also includes the neo-classic Vampire 080 with improved graphics.
Power ISA is perfectly cromulent, as are some of the processors that are built with it, but AmigaOS 4.x is crap at using it.
So right now, the immediate future of the Amiga is in the past. And if the do-over works, then it might just be able to catch up to the present.
Beyond that, IBM should be posting “What future for the Power Architecture?”, especially given all the CPUs announced from companies choosing to design their own silicon based on the Power 9 open architecture.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 17-Jan-2020 9:08:05
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 20-Jan-2020 7:03:16
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There is lack of money and developers? Money are few cause there are too few Amiga users?
Then stop whining and start doing something concrete and useful.
Start an agreement with a good Computer School in India or Vietnam by collecting money for them with online funding campaign.
Terms of agreement will be: We will send you money on a regular basis and your pupils should produce good software for Amiga platform i.e. enhancing Open Source AROSx86 to become fully 64bit complaint resuming old existing code, debugging it, writing new solutions, make it POSIX compliant with Memory Protection support and so on... Let's the "kids" (young men) learn how to code Amiga and release Libre Office, updated OpenGL libraries, hardware drivers, realize Firefox porting for AmigaOS, MorphOS, AROS, encode modern graphics programs and other kind of software not restricted to 128MB memory limit and enhance good old Amiga Software like Bars'n'Pipes.
If you want results then invest in a good enterprise the pocket money you have in a cheap but profitable and practical project involving whole community. Last edited by Raffaele on 20-Jan-2020 at 07:20 AM. Last edited by Raffaele on 20-Jan-2020 at 07:05 AM.
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Re: What future for the Amiga platform? Posted on 20-Jan-2020 22:08:42
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| what I see here is bunch of aros followers that still think that people will be using their crap.
instead of admit that aros x86 was screwed from the beginning and say something like: "we aros clowns were wrong about x86 and ppc, ppc has hardware feature that x86 has not, and there fore aros x86 should be something different that it is"
they still think that people will be using crap because crap is cheap.
It is obvious that either amiga solutions has integration with 68k amiga software and has no memory protection or has not integration with 68k amiga software and has memory protection.
something that has not integration with 68k amiga software and has not memory protection is worth nothing shit that nobody will use.
It is sad, because without proper solution for x86 amiga community will not go further. It is not year 1998 anymore.
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