@kolla: "Microsoft is a business and developing an OS when there are adequate free alternatives around makes less and less sense"

Just a reality-check: Windows has still a market share of about 90% and Linux about 3%.

So from a business-perspective your assumption makes not much sense.

OSmarketshare

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Amiga had the opportunity to invade the mobile world with its tiny OS, still can as there are no many players in this area.

It wouldn't be difficult to convert the RISC OS to an ARM processor.


@AP personal computers are dying from day to day, there is no future there, except if the Amiga Ecosystem will be focused to business applications which I doubt that is capable today, big software companies need to invest which I don't think that will ever happen.

@outlawal2

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Can I assume you understood what I was saying or do I need to explain it to you?

No, there's no need to explain, since you're just basically off on a rant anyway. Have fun.

@AP

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Just a reality-check: Windows has still a market share of about 90% and Linux about 3%.

I think it's actually closer to 2%, assuming that you're referring to desktop market share. It's much higher on servers, of course.

Ten Years Past GNOME's 10x10 Goal, The Linux Desktop Is Still Far From Having A 10% Marketshare

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@liquidbit

for serious work tablets and smartphones are not suited

of course private users who only needs something for web browsing and playing games and watch video do not need a desktop pc or notebook

Games still have high requirements... I recently looked at some current games... 6 GB RAM, i5 and 2 GB graphic card as minimum

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I have a SAM-440epFlex. I wanted a Tabor A1222. I imported a case (same one Epsilon has on his Tabor) for it and waited. A few years. I've basically lost interest at this point, sadly. I am uncertain that it will ever be released, and even if it is, it flawed from the start largely.

As Haynie said, commodity PC parts rather than PowerPC should've been used way back when, post Commodore.

I also have an A1000 and A2000 020 and have owned more Amigas than I currently have. I love the Amiga, but it's not in a great place right now...



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@blakespot

AmigaOS4 is not in a great place right now, but the rest of the Amiga community is in great shape! Just look at how much is happening with AROS, MorphOS, and Classic AmgiaOS for 68k, as well as the work being done on the Vampire accelerator boards, and stand alone v4.

I think your view that "Amiga" is not in a great place right now is terribly narrow, and frankly inaccurate, if you will only look around the community more broadly, to see everything that is happening. The Tabor, as you pointed out, is in many eyes, "flawed from the start", but that fact does not mean that all of the Amiga universe is in poor shape. In many ways, interest and completed projects is better now than it has been in many past years. Enjoy your A1000 and A2000 machines, and perhaps consider getting some of the other alternatives, instead of waiting any longer for the Tabor to be released. In other words, enjoy NOW, because in the bigger sense of it all, NOW is all we ever really have.

Happy Holidays!

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@amigadave

I agree with 99% of what your saying. Just one point

It's called Christmas (with a Capital C)!

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@BigD

Not here, happy yule.

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@BigD

Merry Christmas!

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@kolla

Happy Saturnalia!

"Saturnalia was a lawless, drunken time in Rome where literally anything was okay — this was the original Purge, in which laws were suspended for a brief stretch of time.

Saturn, the Roman god of agriculture, liberation and time (and parties!), was celebrated at what is perhaps the most famous of the Roman festivals, the Saturnalia, It was a time of feasting, role reversals, free speech, gift-giving and revelry. (read: gender-bending sex, drinking, telling people off, trading gifts and doing whatever you want).

After solstice, the darkest night of the year, the renewal of light and the coming of the new year was celebrated in the later Roman Empire at the Dies Natalis of Sol Invictus, the “Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun,” on December 25."

@thread

Are all the parties ready to bury the axe of war and cooperate?

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@AmigaBlitter

Think that Hyperion is looking for new bridges to burn and partners to screw?

@AmigaBlitter

We can't even clarify that the holiday next week is called 'Christmas' without the pagans crawling out of the woodwork and mentioning worshipping Saturn or the norse Sun God / Green Man! Paganism and idolatry was something prevalent 'before' the spread of Christianity and this is not something we should return to post-reformation.

Amiga-wise, why would you think cooperation is at the top of the agenda? It would be nice if A-EON gave us a launch date for the Tabor and for Hyperion to bury the hatchet with Cloanto and for the Apollo Team and Stephen Jones to be able to license AmigaOS IP from the respective parties but in my experience all this is a pipe dream right now!

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@BigD

Thanks for reminder, I almost forgot my annual Saturnalia celebrations!

@BigD

regarding apollo the problem is not only to get a license for the kickstarts but (on the longterm) you need direct support for new features. And that will not happen

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OlafS25 wrote: you need direct support for new features. And that will not happen

A bold claim. What are are these new features that we 'need' direct support for, and why do you believe it won't happen?

I've been an angry man in recent times. Not exactly proud of it, and Im kicking myself about nearly all posts I make about anything Amiga related, but while this is written from a completely neutral perspective and not exactly positive I genuinely think it's done (Amiga).

There's just nothing to really attract anyone to the platform anymore, and it's not exactly the friendliest environment to get involved with.
It'll just continue the way it is, one option getting a little attention here and there and looking like the path to take, then it'll die down again and another option will have a bit of a spell. Rinse and repeat.

Slowly, but surely more and more people leave here and there (I dont want to put words in anyones mouths, but for the sorts of reasons I've mentioned I suspect).

With more people leaving than getting involved, the toxicity or the scene, the difficult and at times expensive cost of entry, the mostly underwhelming tech. it encompasses (to each their own, but I still think the originals are the most interesting; the hardware is unique and capable of 486-low end pentium style results (I personally loved that era,..was quite creative)), and so on and so forth.
There's just no real "pull", and plenty of resistance/obstacles.

It's in the process of treacling away to nothing in my opinion.
Doesnt stop a person enjoying what it does offer, but we're pretty much the last of it.

In the last few years I've really delved into a variety of different retro and alternative type systems.
Game collection across 18 different systems has hit close to 2000 physical titles, been getting involved in various communities, met quite a few other like minded people that I buy, sell & trade with, and just generally went headfirst into the part of the gaming and computer scene, and while it does get mentioned there, for the most part it has a real corpse type smell to the Amiga.
There are a few places that make it appear more vibrant than it is, like Indieretronews, where they report on any garbage if it's Amiga related, but the broader gaming community has near to zero interest in that sort of stuff. Worthy, Reshoot, and Reshoot R being the only pieces of software that there was any interest whatsoever in, and even they didnt receive half the attention just ports like Star Wars to the Atari Jaguar received.

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Article from y2015:

"AmigaOS 4 developer interview: Why it endures and what the future holds"
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3455641/amigaos-4-developer-interview-why-it-endures-and-what-the-future-holds.html

Future indeed depends on the fans of Amiga.

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: Article from y2015: "AmigaOS 4 developer interview: Why it endures and what the future holds" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3455641/amigaos-4-developer-interview-why-it-endures-and-what-the-future-holds.html

From 2012, and lot of things mentioned in article are not done yet. Describes pretty well state of OS4.

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Future indeed depends on the fans of Amiga.

20 years of telling people who are not cheering to GTFO and declaring everyone with a clue
a troll has clearly helped a lot. Who would have thought that it could backfire.

Classic is doing great, there's Vampire and 3 different new 060 boards coming. For a retro platform there's healthy amount of new software too. Funnily enough only place where I see complains about lack of development is NG centric forums.

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and 3 different new 060 boards coming.

Can you list these? I don't follow this very closely.

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