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OlafS25 
Re: Red vs. Blue - A Comment from Dave Haynie
Posted on 12-Feb-2020 18:28:37
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@BigD

the vampire is a niche product for amiga fans and retro community, not for the mass market

You will never create interest between normal average users who are happy with their smartphones and tablets

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Re: Red vs. Blue - A Comment from Dave Haynie
Posted on 12-Feb-2020 20:09:29
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Yeah fine, but an old A500 user who takes the plunge because of nostalgia would rightly expect that the Vampire Standalone would come with a bootable licensed version of AmigaOS / Workbench IMHO. They would also expect to have a slightly easier time of things than an original A500 and a stack of floppies and would maybe equate the Vampire SA to the hard drive equipped A1200 with Workbench pre-installed that they never could afford back in the day!

Sadly, it sounds like a world of pain for a newbie ex-Amiga owner and that IS a problem. But hey if they want to just dribble out a handful of boards a month, expect their customers to already have an Amiga in order to set up the Vampire SA correctly and also artificially inflate prices due to forced rarity then good luck to them

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for SA you do not need a real amiga

you just need a working environment in UAE

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And everyone is expected to have that?! Why? We live in a world of mini consoles that work out of the box! Yes, I guess the MiSTer FPGA needs Windoze too and the RPi Model 3s don't come preconfigured to work as emulated Amigas. Personally I was disappointed when my SCSI2SD board needing configuring on a PC rather natively on my Amiga, so why then should people be expected to prat around with UAE if they just want to relive their youth with a fun bit of 'Stand Alone' hardware!

That's the worst bit of all; it is marketed as 'Stand Alone' and yet it can't even boot Workbench or ANY software with out extra PC interference etc. Maybe if Cloanto / Hyperion weren't ripping shreds out of each other in the courts they could have got a sensible license deal and set these machines up to work out of the box able to run ADF files off USB pen drives from the get go?

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@OlafS25

And everyone is expected to have that?! Why? We live in a world of mini consoles that work out of the box! Yes, I guess the MiSTer FPGA needs Windoze too and the RPi Model 3s don't come preconfigured to work as emulated Amigas. Personally I was disappointed when my SCSI2SD board needing configuring on a PC rather natively on my Amiga, so why then should people be expected to prat around with UAE if they just want to relive their youth with a fun bit of 'Stand Alone' hardware!

That's the worst bit of all; it is marketed as 'Stand Alone' and yet it can't even boot Workbench or ANY software with out extra PC interference etc. Maybe if Cloanto / Hyperion weren't ripping shreds out of each other in the courts they could have got a sensible license deal and set these machines up to work out of the box able to run ADF files off USB pen drives from the get go?




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have this king size box of question marks and exclamation marks.
Hope it will keep you running or another couple posts.

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BTW behind the scenes we are exactly working on that as a cooperation between OS developers (and distribution developers like me) and the hardware and driver developers

But it is of course WIP

You can of course buy Tabor or use MorphOS as alternative

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Yeah fine, but an old A500 user who takes the plunge because of nostalgia would rightly expect that the Vampire Standalone would come with a bootable licensed version of AmigaOS / Workbench IMHO.


Or in the least, a Kickstart, with a hand floppy amim.

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