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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 29-Mar-2020 12:09:39
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Friend OlafS25, let me understand this..
if I run a using WHDLoad through V4, it won't go through UAE emulation but rather hit the metal directly?
So we have an Amiga which stays true to its original 68K architecture while being 400% faster than the fastest 68060, with an OS that stays true to the look and feel of Workbench, and runs classic games nateively, but with a tcp stack, usb support, etc.?
Is this a wet dream and I'll wake up shivering and embittered in my sumptuous canopy bed, scrambling to grab the nearest bottle of Macallan Lalique 60 years old to regain my composure with a sip that's worth a month of BigD's salary?
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 29-Mar-2020 13:12:28
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yes whdload uses the hardware directly and not needs emulator-layer like UAE
and yes it has 3.1 look and feel with full support of RTG, network and sd-cards and runs many classic programs without change
USB would be possible too but there are no free usb ports at the V4 Last edited by OlafS25 on 29-Mar-2020 at 01:13 PM.
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 29-Mar-2020 15:04:08
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Any chance of getting some more modern looking icons on the desktop as well? _________________ Sent from my Quantum Computer. |
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 29-Mar-2020 15:40:46
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DiscreetFX wrote: @OlafS25
Any chance of getting some more modern looking icons on the desktop as well? |
Sure, modern looking icons would look great! Possibly 3D, glossy, transparent, and with a drop shadow!
A perfect fit for the WB 3.1 look!
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 29-Mar-2020 16:55:07
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 29-Mar-2020 19:04:16
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 4-Apr-2020 2:26:46
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 6-Apr-2020 23:25:28
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I do not understand what you mean
In this form no because you cannot mix 68k amiga software and aros on X86. On X86 you can only emulate 68k in UAE |
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 6:33:20
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 9:45:14
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So we have an Amiga which stays true to its original 68K architecture while being 400% faster than the fastest 68060, with an OS that stays true to the look and feel of Workbench, and runs classic games nateively, but with a tcp stack, usb support, etc.?
Is this a wet dream and I'll wake up shivering and embittered in my sumptuous canopy bed, scrambling to grab the nearest bottle of Macallan Lalique 60 years old to regain my composure with a sip that's worth a month of BigD's salary? |
I agree 100%! Only thing missing is a classic looking case, preferably A600-like. I suggested just that here: https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43682&forum=25 |
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 12:52:11
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 13:13:01
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theoretical it is of course possible to make something for X86 looking like this
Magellan exists and it is no problem to change icon set
68k integration is something different. On Aros X86 you can only do that with UAE Last edited by OlafS25 on 07-Apr-2020 at 01:14 PM.
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 13:35:58
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DiscreetFX wrote: @MEGA_RJ_MICAL
Are you really sure you have abs of steel? |
Friend DiscreetFX, abdominal muscle like you don't see often.
But why, I ask myself as complete yet another series of weighted crunches, would you even ask this question? Are you perhaps - shall we say - queer?
Nothing wrong with that, friend DiscreetFX, nothing wrong indeed! But let's please go back to our favorite gender-neutral topic:
THE AMIGA! VVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 13:41:11
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Yes I am well aware of that, my friend, but if transparent enough UAE would do. Will 68K applications integrate seamlessly? Or inside a UAE window? That makes all the difference.
And where oh where would I find those icons? How to make use of Magellan? That's where a Distribution would come to the rescue.
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 14:54:19
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not like it is done in AOS or MorphOS where you can easily install 68k applications. It is installed in a virtual UAE environment. It is called "RunInUAE" as far as I remember
I do not know much about it because I was never interested in it. I can PM you the link to the icons and magellan if you want
If you really want to learn everything from magellan you will need some time. Best you f.e. look in my distribution. And read the manual of magellan
And you should install and look at Icaros Desktop |
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 15:02:54
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Depending on what your trying to install, anything that needs puala/ciaa/ciab or the bitter has run from EUAE, everything else can be installed as it was a PowerPC program, AmigaOS4.1 translate 680x0 apps using Petunia, MorphOS does the same using something called Trance.
On AmigaOS4.1 libraries can have optional “JMP table” for classic legacy applications, OS4.1 libraries designed around the C language, and there for used function pointers instead legacy JMP address approach.
Because of the two entry point model it allows translation between OS4.x API and legacy OS3.x API. without AmigaOS4.1 application requiring to use legacy API. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 07-Apr-2020 at 09:54 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 07-Apr-2020 at 09:13 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 07-Apr-2020 at 03:09 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 07-Apr-2020 at 03:08 PM.
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 7-Apr-2020 16:57:49
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thanks for explanation |
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 8-Apr-2020 12:19:20
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 9-Apr-2020 7:43:21
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of course they can
that is necessary for the concept (to use PPC libraries). Otherwise you would need all double. As in some cases PPC code can use 68k libraries as far as I know |
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Re: Short information about Aros and V4 Posted on 10-Apr-2020 9:56:16
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About the screenshot:
If it's AROS 68k, avoid the name Workbench, the name Workbench is a registered trademark, using this in an AROS distribution could cause a lot of trouble for AROS.
Is it Wanderer ? If the answere is 'YES' use this name, it will avoid problems. Is it a Copy of the AOS Workbench? If the answere is 'YES' don't pack it into a distribution without the permission of the Owner.
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