If I understand correctly, an installer is needed which can be found on amigaos4 depot.
But does Imagefx work well under amiga os4.1? and of course emulation.
It is an os3.XX program.

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@dirkzwager

Yes this program works fine under AmigaOS4.1, only used demo version of the program, never managed to do anything useful in it. But maybe I just needs a good tutorial.

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A long time ago I had ImageFX on my Amiga4000.
Then I was impressed by this program.
But photo editing was all new and was still in the early stages.
I also still have the original software with box and diskettes, but they give read errors due to age.
I don't know if Arteffect is better to edit some photos with OS4.1? Arteffect is also for sale and is cheaper than ImageFX.

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@dirkzwager

I owned a Amiga500 back in the day, sadly too underpowered for most things, when best software was written I kind missed it, somehow, even did buy lot Amiga format, and owned lots of cover disks. Can’t say i have gotten used to Gimp, but that is the tool I often use, when I need to do some graphics.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @dirkzwager Can’t say i have gotten used to Gimp, but that is the tool I often use, when I need to do some graphics.

Thanks for the tip but i think that Gimp is better than ImageFX under emulation.
It is still no native app for os4
I will try Gimp

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@dirkzwager

According to the original news release all the Powerstation modules are MorphOS native.

http://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=45074.0

@dirkzwager

Works fine here. A few problems with it being 68k and not updated for OS4 or large memory useage but works well for almost everything I use it for.

@dirkzwager
I bought imagefx years ago after getting my microA1. I was surprised how well it works under emulation. I have used it a lot to create and alter OS4 icons. The only problem I encountered was the lack of a good JPEG loader but broadblues created a JPEG loader that works like a charm (at OS4Depot). Not long after I bought imagefx Kermit made the original hard copy documentation available through a print-on-demand company; which I also bought.

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@BillE

Yes it puzzling way AmigaOS4.1 programs use more stack, the data on the stack should take the same size, it’s not like 16bit shorts has become 32bit int’s overnight.
But it’s always the possibility that JIT compiler pushes some thing on stack, I assume the JIT cache is not stack.

I now know that a large amount of the kickstart modules are compiled with clib statically linked, so etch module contains a extra copy of the same clib routines, instead of using newlib.

If that was changed to newlib it can cut of 50% of size, and reduce load time maybe, I say maybe because loading small files take a long time compared to loading one large file.

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Too bad there is no Demo available. Then I could test it out.
30 euros is not that much but if it is not used I would have drunk pints of beer with it.
Tasty Belgian Trappist bear.
But when i need it, i buy it.

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@BillE

The extra stack usage can be because of the C language, when it was written in assembler it used registers instead of local variables, when it was ported to C or replaced with C code, it started using local variables reserved on the stack.

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Yes it puzzling way AmigaOS4.1 programs use more stack, the data on the stack should take the same size, it?s not like 16bit shorts has become 32bit int?s overnight.

Well it's on a different CPU with a different ABI. On PPC the stack frame is more complicated, with more info per function call, which will take up a minimum of 16 bytes. On 68K it's 4 bytes for a return address with registered parameters.

An exception would be if that stack frame was omitted in optimised code since PPC uses a registrer for the return address. And the PPC ABI places parameters in registers also which avoids stack. Unless there are over 8 in which case it stacks the rest. Including 13 floats and 12 vectors. So optimsed code shouldn't use much stack.

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But it?s always the possibility that JIT compiler pushes some on stack, I assume the JIT cache is not stack.

JIT would use more memory for management in any case. But I don't think it could touch the internal 68K stack. Even if has access to it.

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I know know that a large amount of the kickstart modules are compiled with clib statically linked, so etch module contains a excat copy of the same clib routines, instead of using newlib.

Most modern ones should be using newlib. On my X1000 I couldn't find any using clib2. On my XE HDD I found the kernel was using it. Both are using FE.

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If that was fix it cut of 50% of size, and reduce load time maybe, I say maybe because loading small files take a long time compared to one large file.

That and using PIO0 when PIO4 shoud be the least used. They could at least help by supporting compressed Kickstart modules. The old SLB has some support for decompression through UBoot. That's what MorphOS does, similar to Linux. All boot modules are combined in one file and loaded all together. An optimised OS4 boot loader could load all modules from one compressed file. In fact it's possible a Kickcache could be created, a cache of Kickstart modules stored as one compressed file, that would be loaded in like a normal Kickstart. But would instead be a custom loader module and the cache. The loader would unpack all the files to where they'd normally be and then pass control to the kernel loader in a chain loader system.

@Hypex

in my kickstart layout newlib is the 27 item to be loaded, and I know from rearranging the kickstart files that modules has to be loaded in sequence, or else they do not load, this means that 26 modules before newlib are compiled with clib or not newlib.

It is possible some of kmods are compiled without stdlib’s but I guess lot of kmods does need clib or newlib

Anyway larges files are 1,6 Mb and smallest being 4Kbytes.
There are is big difference in size between large once and the small ones.

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@dirkzwager

There used to be a demo version available. Perhaps Google can still find it. I believe it was on an Amiga Format Cover CD too.

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@DiscreetFX

i fount not the " demo " version " ( yet )
But a video from 1u30 min with a demo of ImagaFX. How to use.

On this site a lot of Amiga sofware video's.

http://amigavideo.net/the-video-guide-to-image-fx-volume-1/

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@dirkzwager

On this site I found the ADF files of Image FX. From an older version. 2.6.
I will it try next week, this week i have no time.
There are hundreds of Amiga software titles on this site. All ADF. Usually older software.
If this link needs to be removed, let me know. I don't know if this is all 100 percent legal.
But I don't think there is any more of this software for sale.

https://archive.org/download/CommodoreAmigaApplicationsADF

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@dirkzwager
There is a demo version at OS4Depot. It is too limited in my view but I tried it before buying the full version. Look for ifx.lha at OS4Depot.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I don't know why the loading order affects it as they aren't initialised in load order. When they are all linked in memory with start up code executed the order would be dependant on the priority in the Resident sructure. If they have a neutral priority then they would be sorted through in load order.

As an example, in my layout there is the kernel, then a list of filesystems. The filesystems can't be setup in thast order, because they rely on DOS and device drivers, which was loaded after.

A lof the modules, such as libraries and other resources, wouldn't use any C lib. Unless they needed it for something.

But load up Ranger, go to Exec tab and check the Residents to see the internal order.