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fishy_fis 
Did "Polymorph" ever transform into something other than a scam?
Posted on 24-Apr-2020 3:49:12
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Tongue in cheek thread obviously.

Many people knew and tried to warn people, but it didnt stop getting people scammed into paying for his Sam system.
What ever happened to the guy? Got his board, sold it and then moved on so far as I can tell.

"Only Amiga makes it possible" :P

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Re: Did "Polymorph" ever transform into something other than a scam?
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@fishy_fis

Are you referring to Belxjander's "Polymorph IME"? That was indeed a vaporware project right from the start, but I don't remember people paying for his Sam. I do remember another guy who promised some graphics, and people did collect money for his OS4 system. In the end he delivered a few wallpapers (apparently made in Photoshop) and disappeared.

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Re: Did "Polymorph" ever transform into something other than a scam?
Posted on 24-Apr-2020 7:18:12
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@fishy_fis

I remember reading his long technobabbles that made Star Trek episodes sound like documentaries. He was a snake oil salesman who emerged in the period when OS4 users were more optimistic and ready to throw money any developer (or people impersonating developers). Unfortunately none of them asked the question: what practical use would this magical virtual machine would have? The few people who did ask this were written off as naysayers.
When the anointed AbH Belxjander Draconis Serechai (aka Jeremy Sutherland), publishes his code on GitHub it turned out it was nothing more than a bunch of boilerplate code. What did people expect from someone who promised to emulate the whole universe, but had great trouble writing a working Makefile? He never released any working software, at least he couldn't point to any, but he kept insisting he did help others with their projects. In reality he was an English teacher in Japan, who likely never did any serious programming before stumbling onto the NG scene.

Let me quote from his linkedin page for some amusement:
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Implementing Systems Designed specifically for the Individual User.

Personal Experiences include volunteer recycling of older systems for re-use as dedicated function units, from general desktop systems through to an elder mainframe needing disassembly and materials recycling.

I am a specialist in system building and designing. As I've made systems for my clients and back them with a full part refund and replacement scheme.(without ever having to warranty built systems)

Additionally I am also a professional software designer with deep level understanding on Linux operating system.

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Posted on 24-Apr-2020 7:33:17
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@Thread:

Remember:

Belxjander Perception IME (Bounty)
Belxjander Polymorph VM (Bounty)
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35268&forum=49#796721

DjNick SAM460Lite & AmigaOS4.1 (Bounty)
https://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6783

AmiDark: AmiDARK Engine (Bounty)
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39928&forum=15#754102

A lot of projects that ended like scam, you should check out some comments of 'real' developers like kas1e, the can at least tell the difference between gibberish techno babble and real projects.

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@OneTimer1

To be fair AmiDark is actually capable of writing functional code, but he is overly sensitive and unable to accept constructive (even if somewhat harsh?) criticism, so he ragequit the Amiga scene.

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@BSzili

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@OneTimer1

To be fair AmiDark is actually capable of writing functional code, ...


Yes, at least he knew how to setup a make script ...

I was reading his postings for years and suddenly he was asking a question about a very basic handling of GFX buffers (IMR double buffer) I was shocked seeing an 'experienced developer' asking it.

There where parts on his engine where his screen coordinates started with 0,0 and others with 1,1 that's something he should have planned before starting the development.

BTW.: I would recommend SDL for all developers starting with GFX or 2d game development, it might not be the fastest engine around, but it will lead to good portable* code and there are good tutorials out there.


And SDL was ported to most AmigaOID systems for free.

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*portable:
OK, SDL can't use much of Amiga (real Amigas with OCS/ECS/AGA) special game related features, so it is running slow of real Amigas.

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@BSzili

Back to Belxjander, the last time he was seen in 2018 he set out to create a USB3 driver!
https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4044

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@BSzili

Pity we didn't ask him to create a Bluetooth stack as well

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@Trixie

Maybe you didn't ask, but that didn't stop him from... uh... proposing to make one!
http://web.archive.org/web/20170111215828/http://amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=84

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@BSzili

That was his "schtick" really.
Trying to talk over peoples heads so no one would question how "clever" he was.
Unfortunately for him, his little spiels made it very apparent to many exactly how clever he was :P

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@Trixie

Quote:

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@fishy_fis

Are you referring to Belxjander's "Polymorph IME"? That was indeed a vaporware project right from the start, but I don't remember people paying for his Sam. I do remember another guy who promised some graphics, and people did collect money for his OS4 system. In the end he delivered a few wallpapers (apparently made in Photoshop) and disappeared.


You are forgetting "If we buy these guys Sam system they will port Spotify to OS4" one.

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@fishy_fis

«Polymorph» is thermology in computer science. it means that something can change into something else, depending on factors, the implementation of Polymorph code, can be as simple as function pointer changing routine, a callback hook being redefined.

in Amos Kittens I use Polymorph behavior for some commands like “To” command, you see the “To” command is used in FOR LOOP, its used to describe a COPY from To designation, or something else.

Polymorphic behavior was chosen because I did not know exactly how the commands was going to be combined. And the “To” command was used many different cases.

Another thing in C++ language was introduced is “lambda” this also Polymorphic, code changing depending on its input.

inherence of classes in C can be used polymeric, you threat list objects as they where same, but etch object might be doing different things like drawing rectangle, boxes, and stars.
Hope this explains what Polymorphic is, and how it’s used. It’s not magic.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I have only one question. What does this has to do with PolymorphVM, Belxjanders "pie in the sky" vaporware project?

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@BSzili

Only that myths of «PolymorphVM» is based on thermology’s actually used.

I have no doubt that “PolymorphVM” was pure “vaporware”, but never actually know because he never demonstrated his technology. Beyond the hype.

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@BSzili

He did upload something to OS4Depot.net.

http://os4depot.net/?function=modules/sql/filesbyuploader&submitter=Belxjander%20Serechai

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Posted on 24-Apr-2020 14:45:29
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A lot of projects that ended like scam, you should check out some comments of 'real' developers like kas1e, the can at least tell the difference between gibberish techno babble and real projects.


it’s pretty easy to check someone’s github repository’s. And uploads to aminet and os4depot.
do they produce something or are they just talking.

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Have you tried Perception IME? It does jack squat, because there's no code there other than boilerplate. Back in the day you could verify this by looking at the source code in his GitHub repo, which he wisely made private.
As for PolymorphVM, there was no technology to demonstrate, as there was no clear goal beyond emulating the whole universe.

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“DjNick” did some work for me on Excalibur, the work was nice, but I had to do lot of work myself, problem was graphic has to cut into tiles, to be placed around menus, that’s long time ago, it was before AmigaOS4.1 FE.

He need like adobe to do his work, the GUI Prefs in Workbench and Excalibur was to clumsy to make theams for for his taste.

And I can kind agree, its too many parameters and menus, it should possible make that visual, so you see your changes and what they will do.

In case of Excalibur it was just a case using GIMP, and cut the image up, it was pretty simple work,
but I guess can do differently, to make it easier. Some of his designed need proper layering, something Excalibur did not do.

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«Polymorph» is thermology in computer science. it means that something can change into something else.....


Apparently you missed the pun in the thread title then? :P

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