@kolla

and Apple can make money with authorised centres...

but I would say it this way... who buys something from apple gets what he or she deserves

and yes Apple earns the money with the iPhones, computers (be it notebooks or desktops) are only of small importance today

@OlafS25

Haha, funny when I'm with apple fanboys I say exactly the opposite!

Who buys something not from Apple gets what he or she or it (and every other new in-between sexes) deserves!

Especially when thy loose their phones or their system is obsolete or brakes after 13 months and they don't get replacement.

Oh wait.. this makes me sound like an Apple fanboy! I hate apple, I hate apple, I hate google, I hate facebook, I love Microsoft for saving apple, I hate microsoft for their low quality products over decades and how they made more money out of people and public institutions, I only love AAAAAAmmiiiiiga! Because only A-A-A-A-mi-ga makes it Po-si on-ly A-mi-ga makes it, on-ly a-mi -ga maaaakes it po- siii- BL!

@Amigo1

how is apple making that record profit all the time?

Certainly not by being famous for attractive low prices

And the company is known for the behavior to force the customers to go to authorized and of course expensive repair center

Apple certainly not makes bad products but the products certainly are overprized. Additionally I do not like the behavior and attitudes of Apple and thus do not buy their products.

You can of course do what you want

First Apple Arm powered devices, powered by M1. https://www.apple.com/
MacBook, MacBook Pro and Mac Mini

3x performance, low watts, much longer battery, but connectivity looks to be cut back, much less upgradeable ability gone, which lets face it, largely thanks to apple, has been disappearing specially in mobile hardware anyway. More lock down on what apps will be able to run on it, sound as if everything going to have to go though the App store so Apple make more money with the Cut of 30%.

And finally no real saving in money / cost of these devices! Not that surprising when its Apple, but still the Man Mini your basically paying for IPad hardware at the same price, minus the screen and cameras.

I think apple is going to have a hard time convincing the Pro user that this is all a good thing, (photoshop is not out for it till next year) but then the general public who do buy these machine just for web browsing and email (I SEEN THIS!!! drive me nuts when people who be perfectly fine with a chrome book, or even a pi most likely would do for there computer needs, own a MacBook or a iMac.) I think they might not know a difference and Apple will be even richer!

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@amigang

I do wonder if this could lead to Apple making MacOS for its other Arm devices?

I kinda surprise to not really see it happen or pushed more and that is a simple Dock for your Phone that turns into a Desktop, Samsung offer it with there Dex mode, review here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsK1RmWamPY

I do wonder if Apple would ever consider it?

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but still the Man Mini your basically paying for IPad hardware at the same price, minus the screen and cameras.

+ more RAM
+ more storage
+ more ports
+ cooling (aka more performance)

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Wait friend amigang, amigang will soon reply to you.

MRJM

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clebin wrote: Let's just wait for the benchmarks shall we?

Well... there we are then.






But as amigang says, it's just overpriced iPad hardware. No-one's going to care that the entry-level MacBook Air is faster than the current top-of-the-range i9-based MacBook Pro, except with no fan and an 18-hour battery life. They want it to be different from the iPad so that they can tell their friends... or something.

I love how worked up some people get about Apple.

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@amigang

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but then the general public who do buy these machine just for web browsing and email (I SEEN THIS!!! drive me nuts when people who be perfectly fine with a chrome book, or even a pi most likely would do for there computer needs, own a MacBook or a iMac.) I think they might not know a difference and Apple will be even richer!

Also... didn't you spend £2000 on an OS4 machine that can't even do web browsing and email properly? People in glass-houses and all that.

@clebin

it's really incredible how much inefficient x86 is!

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Also... didn't you spend £2000 on an OS4 machine that can't even do web browsing and email properly? People in glass-houses and all that.

Yes but that an Amiga :) . Also that is a small community effort of building a custom hardware for a market of no more than a 1 to 2 thousands Amiga users. I'm sure if A-EON was targeting a market of the size of Apple they could of got the pricing down on the hardware, specially if they also know they are going to be taken a cut of 30% of all sales of apps/games on that hardware too.

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@amigang

The point is not the how much it costs to make. The point is that you can't patronise people and say they're irrational, style-led or whatever for choosing a Mac over a PC (which I would argue does have some advantages) if you're splashing out two grand for an underpowered Amiga with very little practical utility whatsoever. It's hypocritical. Let people buy what they want to buy and like what they want to like.

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The problem is the OS, it is far too obsolete for today standard so better stick to 68k.

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Yes but that an Amiga :) . Also that is a small community effort of building a custom hardware for a market of no more than a 1 to 2 thousands Amiga users. I'm sure if A-EON was targeting a market of the size of Apple they could of got the pricing down on the hardware, specially if they also know they are going to be taken a cut of 30% of all sales of apps/games on that hardware too.

What are you saying?
1. If A-EON was operating at Apple scale, it would be OK to spend £2000 on A1 just for web browsing and email?
or
2. If A-EON was operating at Apple scale, users would be paying much less for an A1 that can't even do web browsing and email properly?

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What Im saying is Im a die hard Amiga fan, anyone who even reads this I think would qualify.

I knew what I was getting, and I think the AmigaONE X1000 was/is a dam fine effort when you think about the budget and size of the community. No need to attack that effort. Yes do I wish it was better in not just software support but in price, yes, I think we all would but I think A-eon did what they could with the resource they had.

Apple most likely spent the budget and have more staff than the entire AmigaOne development to run one Apple Store, what I dont like is the rising cost of computing hardware, when I was a kid, my family couldn't afford a PC or Mac, and was kind of teased at school for it. Teachers and the world made it seem you needed Windows or a Mac to get computing done.

I did a lot of my school and college work on my Amiga, and I realised later on just how much it pushed above it weight in letting me do the work and found it shocking and a crime that in the late 90s there was no real home affordable computer, my first PC was a second hand run down business PC, that I needed to have simple due to the software no longer being on the Amiga.

Amiga helped me as a kid get into computing, that without it I would of been simple priced out of my family if it was left up to Apple. which is why I do have a particular dislike for them, specially when a lot of there adverts is about there device empower you and you need apple to be successful. well Im sorry it BS!! And I do feel sorry for kids today who I know most likely get teased for not owing an iPhone or not having a MacBook or the parents being conned into thinking they need to spend that much to have a good a computer.

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@amigang

Mate, I'm not attacking the X1000 or your choice to buy one!

I'm saying "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

Your record is not exactly squeaky-clean when it comes to rational and cost-focussed purchase decisions, let's put it that way. Neither is mine, FWIW!

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@kamelito

The 68K is too slow to do much of anything. It's nice living in the 90's for a while but then I want a more modern system. The OS been updated heaps but it always looks like a lot of hard work put into it that just isn't good enough and takes too long to make a difference with.

@Hypex

Yes, there is lot untapped potential in X1000, X5000, and even X1222 that is coming. The PowerPC chips use might not compete with fastest x64’s 8 cores, but they are crazy fast compared to 680x0. In my PC I have old i5, I thinking about upgrading the CPU, but there is really no point, I don’t need the extra CPU power, I wonder if come to point where its not really a need for anything faster, I wonder if the software bloat as problem catching up, right now.

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Sometimes I feel honestly confused to see all these Amiga (custom hardware down its DNA, OS custom tailored to fit the hardware like a dress) people denigrating the only company doing custom designs still alive.

I am so confused about the rants about the superiority of the beige box of standard connectors that to my eyes it seems I am reading comments of pc guys.

Then I remember this is actually AmigaWorld, so it's probably sarcasm and the dumb is certainly me being unable to see it, because there's no way the Amiga paladins here have really mutated to become PC salespeople.

Or, even worse, what once was a proud community, cannot have become a "there's an apple sticker on it, so 100000 engineers working to create a product automatically suck and their brains will only start working again once they leave Apple"

@IridiumFX

Well I love a few custom chips in AmigaONE, but sadly it was not deigned that way, having the legacy PAULA, CIAA/CIAB and bitter might have helped a lot software. Most of 680x0 software is not abstracted, from the hardware, well there always option like sound.device and gameport.device, and lowlevel.device etc, and timer.device, and graphic.library but most people who writing software for 680x0 suck.. they don't care about syetem devices and libraries. let's poke the hardware they say...

When games in 2020 are released as ADF and can’t be installed on HD, without warping it in WHDLOAD, there is something really wrong.

And its not the computer its wrong with..

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