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Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! Posted on 2-Feb-2021 8:43:44
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| This kind of passed me by, but Claude Schwartz has hacked the pi computer to be used as either a cpu or gpu card for the Amiga you can follow his work here
https://github.com/captain-amygdala/pistorm And on Twitter @Claude1079
I think this is pretty neat. Im surprise the like of Amigakit / a-eon or some other Amiga company doesn’t get behind A314 board and make a consumer friendly package, I think a lot of Amiga users might be interested, specially if they made one for the A600 and A1200 as well.
It’s not only cpu / gpu card it also looks like there working on making it a network card and it can also pass sound encoding to Paula which mean you can tell the pi to connect to things like Spotify and have it played via Amiga chips.
I do wonder if there would be a way to use this kind of system to emulate a slow ppc chips to get amigaos4 on the a500, would be pretty neat, or have a kind of rabbit hole feature for classic Amiga, that allows access the linux Os on pi, just some interesting thoughts. Read more here
https://github.com/niklasekstrom/a314
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 12:18:47
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This is interesting. I always thought pi would be the perfect next step for the future of Amigaos. pi is continually being developed & refined, perfect for a kind of reference spec for development of the os. It could also attract new users who are looking for an alternative OS for their pi/arm based machine.
The developers of a future Amigaos could target arm, then use this type of expansion to appeal to the classic users perhaps supporting A1200/A500/A600/zorro
A dedicated pi version for the low end of the market & people wanting to try out the latest version of Amigaos.
I don't know how possible, but also produce a custom arm based Amiga & see how far the platform can be pushed. with a low end & high end in machine spec.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 17:53:42
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On github there's an A600 section too! Looks like
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 17:57:53
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I think it’s interesting hack, I almost love it. Virtualization, emulation, and integration, type of thing, really geeky and I can see the appeal, from technical point.
But its major advantage is also its disadvantage, it solves lot of issues for the user, but it also make imageable hard to see how AmigaOS and apps can improved, if all you do is run stuff on the Linux side, it basically turns your Amiga into a dumb terminal, if you emulate 680x0, you can most likely emulated a 680x0 with BlizzardPPC or something like that too, so I don’t see way you can’t run AmigaOS4 on it, but then again I’m not sure I full understand its design yet. The bigger question is if even low end PowerPC is something you really like to have, if you can’t run programs and games that is coming out for AmigaOS4.x because it too limited.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 18:04:17
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This is interesting. I always thought pi would be the perfect next step for the future of Amigaos. |
Michael Schulz is working on it, and yes it will have the same byte ordering like the Amiga and a powerful JIT https://www.patreon.com/michal_schulzLast edited by OneTimer1 on 02-Feb-2021 at 06:31 PM.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 18:22:01
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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @amigang
I think it’s interesting hack, I almost love it. Virtualization, emulation, and integration, type of thing, really geeky and I can see the appeal, from technical point.
But its major advantage is also its disadvantage, it solves lot of issues for the user, but it also make imageable hard to see how AmigaOS and apps can improved, if all you do is run stuff on the Linux side, it basically turns your Amiga into a dumb terminal, if you emulate 680x0, you can most likely emulated a 680x0 with BlizzardPPC or something like that too, so I don’t see way you can’t run AmigaOS4 on it, but then again I’m not sure I full understand its design yet. The bigger question is if even low end PowerPC is something you really like to have, if you can’t run programs and games that is coming out for AmigaOS4.x because it too limited.
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You are underestimating number of Amiga users which doesn't give a flying F about OS4. Which is kinda proved when you look how much more Classic gets _ORIGINAL_ games and software.
On topic, Buffee looks REALLY sweet if they manage to pull it off. Shouldnt be too expensive either.Last edited by Rose on 02-Feb-2021 at 06:23 PM.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 22:13:07
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if all you do is run stuff on the Linux side, it basically turns your Amiga into a dumb terminal |
Here the sad truth that we all kind of know, the Amiga community is just too small to keep up with the main stream programs. I want to see the Amiga push forward largely so I can boot up my Amiga more often and do more work and play round on it, but let’s face it Modern web site/apps, like Spotify are not designed with Amiga in mind. But if hacks / work around like this help get these programs so there useable from within the AmigaOS, well I just think that’s great, I wish rabbit hole could be made for AmigaOS4, even let’s say it had to be hosted on a linux PPC OS, it would just open up that possibility of when I need / want to just open that one app that’s not on Amiga I can do it without turning to another computer. Yes I would love native Amiga apps that could do it all, but we have to be realistic in what we can do, it’s kind of amazing what has been achieved, I mean 4K video is something I don’t think any other PPC computer can do, so I am great full to the dev for pushing the platform forward I just feel, even if this just a massive cheating way of doing it, it at least offers feature that maybe Amiga/oS would never of gotten any other way._________________ AmigaNG, YouTube, LeaveReality Studio |
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 2-Feb-2021 23:39:03
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You are underestimating number of Amiga users which doesn't give a flying F about OS4. |
Well maybe you should read original post, he ask about people opinions, including if PowerPC might be doable, no point being pissed at me for specking my mind.
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Which is kinda proved when you look how much more Classic gets _ORIGINAL_ games and software. |
However that not going to give a new GCC, not new libraries, and not new applications, I have noticing that people are reuploading old stuff to Aminet, things from 2017 like XAMOS, and other archives, the actual new content is dropping sadly, I like nothing better if there where more cooperation on open source projects.
Classic games that only depend on Amiga500, does not require improvements to the SDK, not does it promote new hardware in general, its stuck on 7Mhz, because that all the developers expect you to have.
I celebrate Vampire because try to improve on the original design. I see all development as productive even this one, if I think this project is maybe going in a different direction.
Anyway bigger problem that you competing accelerator cards, where different philosophies, and because of comical interests, they go off in different directions. Some with 68060 can you can't buy, New motherboard that needs chipsets you can’t obtain, some without MMU, and some where say to hell with let's emulate it. I don’t have problem with that, because it your choice if you like to support it or not.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Feb-2021 at 11:54 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Feb-2021 at 11:54 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Feb-2021 at 11:51 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Feb-2021 at 11:46 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Feb-2021 at 11:44 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 02-Feb-2021 at 11:39 PM.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 3-Feb-2021 4:24:00
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| I can see this as a great Rabbit Hole / GPU for Classics. Good Video and App control right from your Classic Amiga. would be a nice step up with low cost and keep you from having to turn on that power hungry PC!
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 3-Feb-2021 5:48:14
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I wish rabbit hole could be made for AmigaOS4, even let’s say it had to be hosted on a linux PPC OS, it would just open up that possibility of when I need / want to just open that one app that’s not on Amiga I can do it without turning to another computer. |
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 4-Feb-2021 5:59:22
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Im surprise the like of Amigakit / a-eon or some other Amiga company doesn’t get behind A314 board and make a consumer friendly package |
AmigaKit/A-EON is all about trademarks and BS these days, they only "get behind" hardware they can put their so called trademarks on and claim ownership over. So hobbyist Amiga hardware designers have become much more vary about what license they use on their hardware projects, to exactly avoid that these companies "get behind" their projects._________________ B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC |
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 4-Feb-2021 6:04:35
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it basically turns your Amiga into a dumb terminal |
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 23-Apr-2021 10:20:17
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 24-Apr-2021 14:32:10
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 24-Aug-2021 7:37:36
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 24-Aug-2021 13:03:22
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 25-Aug-2021 4:55:02
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https://youtu.be/p4ya5n_YhVU?t=1131 (June 2021), PiStorm runs about 68040 @ 25 Mhz level CPU.
I may try PiStorm+Raspberry Pi for my Amiga 500, but it's not much different from WinUAE in relation to software 68K emulation.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! Posted on 26-Aug-2021 6:42:40
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! Posted on 27-Aug-2021 2:04:13
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It is cool to see more of this in the Amiga land.
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Re: Pistorm. Use a Pi as a cpu / gpu for amiga’s! A314 Posted on 27-Aug-2021 4:40:50
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For the price, it's either a fast 68030 accelerator or a wannabe 68040 @ 25 Mhz accelerator (Preconfigured PiStorm with Raspberry Pi 3 Model 3A+ e.g. https://amigastore.eu/853-pistorm.html#/).
TF1260's price without 68060/68LC060 CPU is closer to a fast 68030 accelerator's price.
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