@AP

I would buy it if there is a reason for buying it beyond just to use AmigaOS at the cheapest price point. I honestly couldn’t justify the purchase right now but then it’s not available for the foreseeable future so there’s plenty of time for A-EON to ‘drum up support’ for it! It feels like last chance saloon and sadly I’m now more excited about the thought of trying out a V1200 or reading David Pleasance’s book! Scrub all of that, I might just play Elite Dangerous on x86-64 or edit a home movie on Adobe Premiere.

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@AP

I’m just saying generally that A-EON should make the Tabor fun with vouchers for Hollywood or bundled Wings Remastered and then it’s tempting. A bare mobo with just a whimper of a release and the ongoing Hyperion/Cloanto litigation in the background is not conducive to a platform resurgence IMHO. Stephen Jones should be in charge of a sensible roadmap going forwards and why haven’t AmigaKit brought a RabitHole Amiga laptop to their UK store to plug the gap?

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Four years ago I think I might have bought one, but I've gradually come around to the position that I don't want to buy/license anything from Hyperion, and an A1222 without OS4 isn't much. So I guess I'm on the @BigD list as well, albeit for different reasons.

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Seriously though, why do we have to order the A.L.I.C.E. laptops from the USA? Get a worldwide distribution system going please! Even when supply isn’t a problem the parties at play still drop the (Boing) ball!

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@BigD

I doubt there's a big market for Alice laptops because it's something anybody can do themselves by installing Amikit on any laptop of their choice.

If you disagree with me there's nothing stopping you from filling this perceived gap in the market yourself.

In a few years, someone will have a JIT P1022 running on an ARM stuck on a 68000 slot accelerator running at 6.4 GHz... before the A1222+ is released.

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new motherboard design!

Lol, the Polymega will release before the A1222 will!

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@bison

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Four years ago I think I might have bought one, but I've gradually come around to the position that I don't want to buy/license anything from Hyperion, and an A1222 without OS4 isn't much

Absolutely.
I tend to mock the current Amiga scene a lot these days, but for justifiable reasons. Its a joke.
Even so the A1222 was interesting to me for many of the reasons others were disinterested. The spe setup was intriguing to me.
Yes, I understand peoples concerns, but as someone with a few development skills I was interested.
I dont really care what others think of it.

That said however both Hyperion and aeon have both earned themselves a reputation of being useless and incompetent.

Not the sorts of entities a sane person can support.

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however both Hyperion and aeon have both earned themselves a reputation of being useless and incompetent.

I don't think this is a fair comparison. A-EON for sure have cocked up the A1222 project, but they delivered the X1000, the X5000, the Enhancer Pack, and sponsored the key innovations in OS4 graphics and video. You can't really compare them with Hyperion.

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fishy_fis wrote: That said however both Hyperion and aeon have both earned themselves a reputation of being useless and incompetent.

Why not YOU release a Vampire-priced new PowerPC-based motherboard with dual-core PowerPC CPU and AmigaOS 4.1?

It's hypocritical to call somebody useless while you're useless yourself.

PowerPC is not an X86 PC when a new X86 CPU or X86 motherboard is released, there's no requirement for Windows 10 to be "ported" to the new hardware.

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With ACube currently involved in the A1222 project, I have a hope that it will be released in the near future.

Also noticed AmigaKit not having any AmigaOne x5000's for sale at the moment. Could this be a sign that the release of the A1222 is close, and possible the X5000/040 too? What do you guys think?

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That's a nonsensical argument. If an electrician botches up the wiring in your house and you get a shock, you can't criticize him, because you couldn't do it yourself?

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Not to mention that they didn't make a incompatible design, they comissioned/bought it.

I feel sorry for A-EON / Trevor I think without him AmigaOS4 would of been a very different market.

I think when the products where first announced they made sense, X1000 was planned for 2010, it arrived two years late 2012 but we got it, however who knows how many left in that time fed up with delay?

My guess would be as well when the X1000 first thought up, the CPU chosen likely still had production still going (2009) but by 2012 very likely not, so they where left with what little stock was left and so the price went up so where never able to produce the X1000 in high enough numbers.

Its a real shame because both main production runs sold out with in days. had they been able to keep the X1000 going and even maybe able to reduce cost I think we might of been looking at a slightly different market, we will never know.

So again it would be another 4 years before the X5000 came along, and let face Amiga users are not getting any younger. Things like the Pi came along that fans might of moved on for, emulation got a lot better with PPC support, ARM chips / Phone became powerful enough to do desktop programs on, the world of tech marched on, 2016 I feel X5000 is still a great product, but I think by this point really the writing on the wall that PPC hasn't got as much as interesting out look when compared to Arm or x86.

Who to blame, no one really it just the time and limited resource Amiga market got this is what we been dealt with, I think its kind of amazing to stop and think how amazing it is that Amiga is still going and still being talk about on forum on the web, what nearly 30 years after they where main stream. I hope A1222 can do something for the OS4 market, but I just keep thinking beyond this where do we take OS4?

PPC laptop? PPC Addon for Classic board? X6000?

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Security, memory protection etc. Even with a strip down Linux kernel if needed with an abstraction layer to mimic Exec.
What is the purpose of an OS so outdated in 2021?
They could also have just invested in the 68k HW and Software only.
If you want a modern OS you’ve to break compatibility and use a sandbox for 68k and PPC applications. Hopefully MorphOS will do that.

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To ensure there are no hardware surprises at least five motherboards are being manufactured to prove the updated A1222 Plus design changes. A-EON has partnered with ACube Systems s.r.l to handle this process.

I don't see any update about that here

Since we're in quarter 2 and the above step preceeds manufacture, we could use an update on this.

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BSzili wrote: @Hammer That's a nonsensical argument. If an electrician botches up the wiring in your house and you get a shock, you can't criticize him, because you couldn't do it yourself?

That's a flawed argument since the electrician has offered a service quotation, the customer accepted the offer, and the electrician botched it.

My argument is about offering the product to sell and the customer is still waiting for the offer.

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@Hammer

Since you chose to argue the analogy and completely dodged the meat my argument, let's simplify my question, so you can't ignore my point.
Can you criticize something you are not capable of doing yourself, or not?

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without Trevor D. AmigaOS already would be dead, despite high prices and wrong design like in case of Tabor. So I would not agree to expecially Trevor D. have been useless like fishy said. But I also do not see a real concept or strategy in the activities, in my view they only move the point of death a little in the future.

Amiga today is retro... you would need tremendous resources to modernize amigaos and offer competitive hardware at competitive price. And even then it would no easy sell. Nobody today waits for amiga. Best bet in my view would have been to port amigaos to ARM (RPi). Then you would have at least a cheap and competitve package. PPC is in all terms a dead end.

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