I think the best solution is :

MorphOS team creates a 2D Driver for Radeon SI and Polaris cards.
So we can dual boot AmigaOS4 / MorphOS on X5000/Sam460 at least.

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@Trixie/TRIPOS

No drama meant, it was more a comment on the fact MorphOS has had a breakthrough and the discussion immediately turns to porting to AmigaOS and the problems of doing so! I think it is a great accomplishment for those involved on the MorphOS side but don't see it as a big deal when using an AmigaNG/Amiga-like as a daily driver is such a distant eventuality with or without hero-programmers trying to keep these browsers up to date!

Who am I to comment though? I still use a Zip Drive set up to transfer files from my internet enabled machines to my Classic 'miggies

But then why would I use an Amiga for time sapping and dull email/web browsing when it has unique software and games to utilise and the silicon/capacitors won't last forever!

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In better news: got YT Live streams to play today. Sorry for poor quality of the shot.

Maybe in the next release?

@jacadcaps

Thanx for all the great work on the Wayfarer browser. It keeps getting better and better.

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@BigD

Can you pls refrain yourself from polluting with your presence each and every thread on the forum? Especially to the ones which you have no idea what you are saying. Meaning, all sections on aw.net.

@amig_os 

No, Wayfarer is faster (initial startup loading and same page rendering) compared to latest OWB on same system. Only quitting takes a bit more.

@jaca

Great work man! Can't wait for the new version. IRIS/Wayfarer are the gem of MorphOS's crown :)

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Can you pls refrain yourself from polluting with your presence each and every thread on the forum? Especially to the ones which you have no idea what you are saying. Meaning, all sections on aw.net.

I've just as much right to post on here as you. I am sorry I haven't fully signed up to AmigaNG thing. I really wish the A1222 Plus was available so that the choice was a real one rather than having to spend 600 Euros to build a Sam460CR by watching a YouTube video. The irony is that I'd probably have a lot of fun find unity with a lot of people here and would probably moan a bit less if I had a new toy to play with! But that's really it isn't, this is a toy and I don't consider trying to replicate all the 'features' of a modern desktop the best use for a unique toy. It's unique! Well the Classic Amiga was at least.

Is Wayfarer on a G4 iBook 933 running MorphOS a better experience than running TenFourFox on the same hardware under macOS Tiger? It's doubtful as I read this browser needs a G5 to really shine but yes it IS a great achievement, I honestly believe it is.

However, it's got a limited impact and I prefer showing my kids an Iomega Zip Drive and using it to transfer files to use with their homework and show them what life was like with the whirring and clicking drives we used back in the day than pretending the Amiga entered the 2021 on par with a £100 smart phone in regards to internet technology!

The Amiga can and should grow but if we're not innovating in unique ways and just playing catch up then I can't get that excited about this sort of thing honestly! It's JUST a web browser and it's cost the developer 4 months of his free time to get this up to snuff! He probably had a lot of fun doing it and the sense of achievement must be massive but is anyone going to pay him or carry the torch on AmigaOS or are we just going to moan that TimberWolf is out of date and that Odyssey doesn't work properly any more?

For comparison, Grafx2 is a very good Deluxe Paint type app on my Mac but there is only one way to paint and animate in Deluxe Paint and that is on a real Amiga actually using Deluxe Paint. So you can use web technology on MorphOS (and make AmigaOS users cry) but you are not doing anything new or unique if your phone can do it! We seem to be just trying to justify the outlay on our hobby by (at least in the Red camp) demanding a constantly updated browser despite their being no money in it or seemingly any developer interested in licensing the codebase! You haven't really got a right to moan unless you're going to donate to a bounty or write it yourself IMHO! Plus you could just dual boot Linux to do your tax returns!

So let's have some fun, play some Turrican, code from AmiBlitz/AMOS AGA/Hollywood or animate in Deluxe Paint and stop peeing around online (he says wasting time on his favourite computer forum )!

If you ARE a coder then by all means challenge yourself to port Wayfarer to AmigaOS and make a few people very happy for 6 months until it's all out of date and we have to reinvent the wheel again! Such is modern web technology!

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@BigD

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the same BigD who has been saying that he is going to buy a NG Amiga system for the past 10 or so years, but has never pulled the trigger and purchased ANY Amiga NG system?

You're free to comment on anything you like, but I don't think you would get much criticism if you limited your comments to things you have actual experience with and knowledge about.

My only complaint with your post was the choice of words, when you described Wayfarer as a weapon. That word choice put a negative slant on your comment.

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@amigadave

Ok, I understand and I retract the word 'weapon'. The Blue and Red wars were painful, I just thought it was funny that we should be celebrating this achievement on MorphOS and then there's more comments about porting.

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jacadcaps wrote: @klx300r Quote: Don't hold your breath. There doesn't seem to be any interest in a port. ne_one wrote: @jacadcaps From the users or the licensee(s)?

From potential AmigaOS developers who could accept the challenge but don’t it would seem.

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@BigD

Stop your delusional bs on every thread. Just stop. Who are "we" that gonna be moaning if Wayfarer doesn't get ported to AOS4? You don't belong to any NG user base, you are just whining regarding A1222 to every single thread.

No, at least MorphOS didn't enter Internet age in 2021. A decade ago could already stream, access and use every major website/online service and when you spend time in front of a system, consequently need access to internet resources (mail communication, YT, gmaps, leisure, whatever). Just 'cause you don't own and never will any NG compatible system it doesn't mean that anyone else share your opinion. And what matters the most is opinions from true stakeholders not delusional wannabe users.

Blame Google, Oracle like in the past Adobe for the mess that web technology is, so a developer can't write/port a modern browser one off. This is the result of the a one man/small team endeavour not some multi billion company with funds that can outsource any project to be ported and bundled on their smartphone.

It took Jaca more than a year to reach current state. MorphOS needed great internal development on OS basis to support the technology Wayfarer enabled.

And read the replies on the threads you are posting. Ninja's cross post from amigans was already commented.

Where the #### is MEGARJ when you need him dammit?

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“Internet age”?
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@BigD

Please stop the red vs blue rhetoric. I am happy to acknowledge advances made for any flavour.


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@BigD

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Is Wayfarer on a G4 iBook 933 running MorphOS a better experience than running TenFourFox on the same hardware under macOS Tiger?

What does is it matter to someone who isn't even prepared to download and burn a CD so they can try out MorphOS for free on hardware they already own?

Why should we believe that your interest in anything AmigaNG extends beyond sniping from the sidelines?

@Rob & Thread

My airport card is iffy on that machine so it's doubtful it would be worth it to try out Wayfarer anyway. I'm interested in AmigaNG but the options are so limited. No offence meant with my comments, please enjoy the continuing development of MorphOS and these hard won advancements. Seriously.

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: My airport card is iffy on that machine so it's doubtful it would be worth it to try out Wayfarer anyway.

Wired connection would be much better in any case. TBH WiFi isn't that robust on MorphOS on most setups.

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@TRIPOS

That release is 1.17 and is now available for download. There's no seeking in live streams yet, but it will come.

@Rob

BigD lost interest in NG when Morgue Soft Ltd retired.

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@DiscreetFX



Yeah those R rated strip poker games were definitely a system seller !

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Meanwhile....


1.18 is now available.

- Fixed to update page's url when traversing history
- Updated ffmpeg to 4.4
- Improved player's handling of bogus stream data
- Partially mitigated a player memory leak

@t0lkien

Already old news :D

Wayfarer 1.19 is now out

- Implemented video playback statistics (Youtube's Stats for Nerds will now show decoded frame counts, etc)
- Fixes in HLS Live playback on YT
- Reduced frame drops when playing video
- Fixed to correctly display rotated photos

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