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AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers
Posted on 14-Apr-2021 15:34:59
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Hello everyone!

ACube Systems dropped me an email lately that, March wasn't exactly my time to pick Sam460cr. The batch of boards is to be be re-created in 3 months as they say. I am also on an EA list for Tabor, so I will get lucky anyway, yet before the summer!!

Lately too, I got myself a new TV set, mainly for retro applications (the first retro TV setup in my home!). I collect SF movies and I have a plenty of'em on discs.

But I didn't buy another DVD/Blu-Ray reader yet for that TV. Maybe then, perhaps, I might get a Blu-Ray player and stick it to the Sam460 instead. So my question is: would that be possible to play Blu-Ray movies, via some OS4 native player? I am talking about typical HD content, so no 4K, no 3D buzz.

Is that possible? Because if so, I might save some 100+$ on a standalone player attached to a TV and spend it on other AmigaOS appliances or software. Which I really wish to!!

Thanks for all the hints in advance.

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers
Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:29:58
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@DiskDoctor

This is not possible and I doubt it will happen since someone would have to licence the software DRM.

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Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:53:26
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@DiscreetFX

Ah OK, copyright...

What about Linux? There are (I suppose???) Linux-based DVD/Blu-Ray Players out there, so that's a matter of porting such software...

I presume, paying royalties would involved and AmigaOS 4 being the niche market wouldn't just pay to.

Very sad news to me, all the more as it seems, there's absolutely NO way to get over this...

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Posted on 14-Apr-2021 17:19:01
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@DiskDoctor

It does not have to be this way. Of course any company or person could cut the required deals with the powers that be and make this a reality. Streaming has severely impacted the sales of Blue-ray movies even though they do look better. My point is they may be very interested in making deals that allow purchased movies to play on more operating systems. You never know until you ask.

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@DiskDoctor

If you have a windows PC you can convert your Blu-Rays to .MKV files using MakeMKV from makemkv.com

Then you can either leave them as MKV files or convert them to a format of your choice either under windows with a tool like handbrake or under OS4.1 with ffmpeg.

You can then play them under OS4.1, depending on your graphics card and if you purchased the enchancer 2 suite and Emotion then you'll get hardware accelerated video playback.

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Posted on 14-Apr-2021 17:43:33
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@JurassicC

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@DiskDoctor

If you have a windows PC


No I don't

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you can convert your Blu-Rays to .MKV files using MakeMKV from makemkv.com


I neither have a laptop with the Blu-Ray reader . Only the standalone one, attached to another TV set.

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Then you can either leave them as MKV files or convert them to a format of your choice either under windows with a tool like handbrake or under OS4.1 with ffmpeg.

You can then play them under OS4.1, depending on your graphics card and if you purchased the enchancer 2 suite and Emotion then you'll get hardware accelerated video playback.


Thanks for the hint, it might be convenient for some, indeed.

But not to me unfortunately.

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@DiskDoctor

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What about Linux? There are (I suppose???) Linux-based DVD/Blu-Ray Players out there, so that's a matter of porting such software...

DVD requires libdvdcss. Status in the US is legally questionable. See, for instance, this recent article.

Blu-Ray is more complicated; see article.

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Posted on 14-Apr-2021 19:09:35
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@simplex

Thanks for this notion, too.

Agreed. Some algorithms are patented in US (or several other countries) so one could not just rewrite them and sell legally (in the same countries).

A pity no one ported VLC for instance (some basic, compact version) to AmigaOS yet...

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@DiskDoctor

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A pity no one ported VLC for instance (some basic, compact version) to AmigaOS yet...


That would solve only DVD part. Crypted commerical Blurays ain't happening until you find someone who will pay the license (starting from $3750 + ~$9 per shipped software). And what comes to "negotiating a deal".... Think a moment how much companies granting the licenses need at most few hundreds of users more when their combined revenue is north of $200B.

And on original subject, just get the Bluray player. Using computer to play discs ain't worth of hassle.

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Posted on 14-Apr-2021 23:43:26
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@Rose

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I know playing Blu-ray through a PC yet alone attempting on anything Amiga-like. I have come to realise Amigans just love to torture themselves. Just as we are streaming stuff on demand, we want Blu-ray playback.

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Not true! It’s great watching BluRays on my MacBook on the road staying at hotels etc instead of relying on hotel Wi-Fi. It’s a great medium.

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@BigD

Good point I was thinking at base. Ok so fine on an Amiga laptop 😁

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@Rose

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And on original subject, just get the Bluray player. Using computer to play discs ain't worth of hassle.


I will. But still, worth asking I suppose, all the more, within the Amiga community.

@A1200

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I have come to realise Amigans just love to torture themselves.


I am, definitely!! And I won't stop

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Ok so fine on an Amiga laptop


Another benefit, yes!!!

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Posted on 15-Apr-2021 18:51:17
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@DiscreetFX

Well, when DVD DRM was broken, it done by someone in Norway (DVD JON), just because its not legal in the USA, does not make it illegal in other countries.

the user should have the right to backup his media for personal use. In many countries. too preserve the original. When paid for a service you own it can do what like with it. provided you do not spread it.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen

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Posted on 15-Apr-2021 18:55:45
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@simplex

The OS4 version of mplayer I believe has the libdvdcss included, as least my version has included.

So if live in the USA should stop using it

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Posted on 15-Apr-2021 19:12:15
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@NutsAboutAmiga

I agree that you should be able to make your own backup copies. It's disappointing that US law is written the way it is on this topic. However, I vaguely recall a lot of shouting about this on some other websites some years back, and my vague recollection was that the European Union also gave in to the "content producers" lobby. So it might technically be illegal over there, too, though I'm not sure.

I remember when I first installed encryption algorithms for AWeb back in the 90s, and saw on the guy's website that he could not be held responsible if the installation was illegal in the user's country. I thought, "Well, this is the US; it's legal to use encryption." I didn't realize he was referring to software patents...

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@simplex

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So it might technically be illegal over there, too, though I'm not sure.


Not really, as the law acts locally only.

Software is patented (not in the same way, still) in: US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, ANZ, that's it. This implies that

- when one resides at these territories, one cannot use such (or similar) code without royalties
- when one sells (or distributes) software on the internet, one must not (as it is too, available in these countries thereby)

If for instance, someone rewrites the code and delivers it ie. only to the EU-based IPs, everything's 100% legal. At least, to my knowledge, which ain't basic on that matter.

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@DiskDoctor

You can’t just copy some one code, “or book”, you need to write your own code, the Norwegian law treats software as if its books.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I know, all the EU treats software as the written works.

You cannot copy the code but wherever it is patented, you cannot rewrite it either.

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@DiskDoctor

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was referring to the fact that the European Union does in fact have software patents, though they call it something else.

According to a European Commission press release of 2002, "since the EPC came into force in 1978, at least 30,000 patents for computer-implemented inventions have already been issued [by the EPO]"

A "computer-implemented invention" is, for all intents and purposes, a software patent. The Wikipedia page even cites a few patents, such as one awarded to Konami. It may not be quite as common as US patents, but it's there.

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