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AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 14:34:59
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| Hello everyone!
ACube Systems dropped me an email lately that, March wasn't exactly my time to pick Sam460cr. The batch of boards is to be be re-created in 3 months as they say. I am also on an EA list for Tabor, so I will get lucky anyway, yet before the summer!!
Lately too, I got myself a new TV set, mainly for retro applications (the first retro TV setup in my home!). I collect SF movies and I have a plenty of'em on discs.
But I didn't buy another DVD/Blu-Ray reader yet for that TV. Maybe then, perhaps, I might get a Blu-Ray player and stick it to the Sam460 instead. So my question is: would that be possible to play Blu-Ray movies, via some OS4 native player? I am talking about typical HD content, so no 4K, no 3D buzz.
Is that possible? Because if so, I might save some 100+$ on a standalone player attached to a TV and spend it on other AmigaOS appliances or software. Which I really wish to!!
Thanks for all the hints in advance. _________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 15:29:58
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This is not possible and I doubt it will happen since someone would have to licence the software DRM. _________________ Sent from my Quantum Computer. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 15:53:26
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Ah OK, copyright...
What about Linux? There are (I suppose???) Linux-based DVD/Blu-Ray Players out there, so that's a matter of porting such software...
I presume, paying royalties would involved and AmigaOS 4 being the niche market wouldn't just pay to.
Very sad news to me, all the more as it seems, there's absolutely NO way to get over this... _________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:19:01
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It does not have to be this way. Of course any company or person could cut the required deals with the powers that be and make this a reality. Streaming has severely impacted the sales of Blue-ray movies even though they do look better. My point is they may be very interested in making deals that allow purchased movies to play on more operating systems. You never know until you ask. _________________ Sent from my Quantum Computer. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:22:12
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If you have a windows PC you can convert your Blu-Rays to .MKV files using MakeMKV from makemkv.com
Then you can either leave them as MKV files or convert them to a format of your choice either under windows with a tool like handbrake or under OS4.1 with ffmpeg.
You can then play them under OS4.1, depending on your graphics card and if you purchased the enchancer 2 suite and Emotion then you'll get hardware accelerated video playback. Last edited by JurassicC on 14-Apr-2021 at 04:23 PM.
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:43:33
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If you have a windows PC
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No I don't
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you can convert your Blu-Rays to .MKV files using MakeMKV from makemkv.com
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I neither have a laptop with the Blu-Ray reader . Only the standalone one, attached to another TV set.
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Then you can either leave them as MKV files or convert them to a format of your choice either under windows with a tool like handbrake or under OS4.1 with ffmpeg.
You can then play them under OS4.1, depending on your graphics card and if you purchased the enchancer 2 suite and Emotion then you'll get hardware accelerated video playback. |
Thanks for the hint, it might be convenient for some, indeed.
But not to me unfortunately._________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 16:46:13
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What about Linux? There are (I suppose???) Linux-based DVD/Blu-Ray Players out there, so that's a matter of porting such software... |
DVD requires libdvdcss. Status in the US is legally questionable. See, for instance, this recent article.
Blu-Ray is more complicated; see article._________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 18:09:35
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Thanks for this notion, too.
Agreed. Some algorithms are patented in US (or several other countries) so one could not just rewrite them and sell legally (in the same countries).
A pity no one ported VLC for instance (some basic, compact version) to AmigaOS yet... _________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 18:50:55
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A pity no one ported VLC for instance (some basic, compact version) to AmigaOS yet... |
That would solve only DVD part. Crypted commerical Blurays ain't happening until you find someone who will pay the license (starting from $3750 + ~$9 per shipped software). And what comes to "negotiating a deal".... Think a moment how much companies granting the licenses need at most few hundreds of users more when their combined revenue is north of $200B.
And on original subject, just get the Bluray player. Using computer to play discs ain't worth of hassle. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 14-Apr-2021 22:43:26
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Agreed. I can't think of anyone I know playing Blu-ray through a PC yet alone attempting on anything Amiga-like. I have come to realise Amigans just love to torture themselves. Just as we are streaming stuff on demand, we want Blu-ray playback. _________________ Amiga A1200, 3.1 ROMs, Blizzard 1230 MKIV 64MB & FPU, 4GB DoM SSD, Workbench 3.1 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 15-Apr-2021 0:50:59
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Not true! It’s great watching BluRays on my MacBook on the road staying at hotels etc instead of relying on hotel Wi-Fi. It’s a great medium. _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 15-Apr-2021 6:30:44
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Good point I was thinking at base. Ok so fine on an Amiga laptop 😁 _________________ Amiga A1200, 3.1 ROMs, Blizzard 1230 MKIV 64MB & FPU, 4GB DoM SSD, Workbench 3.1 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 15-Apr-2021 9:08:14
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And on original subject, just get the Bluray player. Using computer to play discs ain't worth of hassle. |
I will. But still, worth asking I suppose, all the more, within the Amiga community.
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I have come to realise Amigans just love to torture themselves. |
I am, definitely!! And I won't stop
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Ok so fine on an Amiga laptop |
Another benefit, yes!!! _________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 15-Apr-2021 17:51:17
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 15-Apr-2021 17:55:45
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 15-Apr-2021 18:12:15
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I agree that you should be able to make your own backup copies. It's disappointing that US law is written the way it is on this topic. However, I vaguely recall a lot of shouting about this on some other websites some years back, and my vague recollection was that the European Union also gave in to the "content producers" lobby. So it might technically be illegal over there, too, though I'm not sure.
I remember when I first installed encryption algorithms for AWeb back in the 90s, and saw on the guy's website that he could not be held responsible if the installation was illegal in the user's country. I thought, "Well, this is the US; it's legal to use encryption." I didn't realize he was referring to software patents... _________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 16-Apr-2021 5:29:54
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So it might technically be illegal over there, too, though I'm not sure. |
Not really, as the law acts locally only.
Software is patented (not in the same way, still) in: US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, ANZ, that's it. This implies that
- when one resides at these territories, one cannot use such (or similar) code without royalties - when one sells (or distributes) software on the internet, one must not (as it is too, available in these countries thereby)
If for instance, someone rewrites the code and delivers it ie. only to the EU-based IPs, everything's 100% legal. At least, to my knowledge, which ain't basic on that matter._________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 16-Apr-2021 7:28:11
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 16-Apr-2021 13:17:32
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I know, all the EU treats software as the written works.
You cannot copy the code but wherever it is patented, you cannot rewrite it either. _________________ Amiga 1200 + WARP 1260 + AmigaOS 3.2 |
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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 support for Blu-Ray movie readers Posted on 16-Apr-2021 17:11:57
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