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AmigaOS on a modern ISA
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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 1:08:42
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@rzookol

It's not dead; it's resting.

The last nightly build was October 17.

http://www.aros.org/nightly1.php

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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 2:23:59
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AROS is not Amiga Os on modern ISA.
Still graphics and gui is not enough compatible.


Compatible with what? One another, or something else?
MUI and Zune again?

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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 3:07:19
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Having as lot of apps for AROS is better than AmigaOS without a lot of apps. It's the apps that determine whether an operating system is useful rather than the name brand.

BTW, don't forget that Deadwood is restarting the development of ABI v0 of AROS in his own fork.

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kolla 
Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 3:29:48
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Having a lot of apps means nothing if it is mostly crap and nonsense.

The (number of) apps don't determine whether an operating system is useful or not, for me at least, that is something determined by qualities in the operating system itself.

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Posted on 29-Nov-2021 4:37:13
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@kolla

zune is still not compatible with mui from 1997.

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Posted on 29-Nov-2021 11:53:06
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zune is still not compatible with mui from 1997.

and that is your whole argument?

On AROS/68k you can use old MUI if you like.
On AROS/whatever else, there are no MUI programs... so what are you missing?

MUI5 could suddenly show up on AROS, and then what?

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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 12:34:42
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Damn, I was really hoping AROS will win over Pancakes...

Hmm, it might be a smart move to rename AROS to Pancakes... would help in higher score on online pools for sure ;)

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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 15:19:07
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@kolla

AROS x86/arm has not Amiga compatible gui.
It is most important part of Amiga API.
Amiga gui and graphics are only parts of Amiga API that may be preserved after switch to x86/arm.
Everything below Amiga gui and graphics have to be cut off and replaced by unix
to fully utilize x86/arm.
Otherwise AROS x86/arm will be as slow and outdated as Amiga Os in uae.
Which means no resasons to use it.

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bison 
Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 29-Nov-2021 16:04:00
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@deadwood

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Damn, I was really hoping AROS will win over Pancakes...

At this point Pancakes are ahead by only 1 vote, so there is hope yet.

Last edited by bison on 29-Nov-2021 at 04:09 PM.

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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 30-Nov-2021 0:10:41
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I am quite impressed by the x86 AROS distributions known as AspireOS and Icaros Desktop LIVE!.

Is there a 68k version of AROS that I can run on UAE?

I found something called AROS Vision, but not sure if it is the correct one?


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agami 
Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 30-Nov-2021 3:12:31
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@bison

If it is just between those two choices, then apps for the win.

It's not that difficult:
- Users use apps. Even when they think they are using an operating system, they are most of the time using apps included with the operating system.
- Developers who create apps (and games) are the ones that practically care about the operating system/environment, but they too for the most part are using development apps.

Of course in the presented dichotomy, Pancakes not withstanding, I understood it to mean the mainstream x86 AROS, and I'm willing to also include in there some port of AROS to ARM, because the other side of the coin is porting AmigaOS (I'm assuming 4.x) to another ISA.
68k and Power ISA (PPC) lineage are not part of the context.

I would prefer to see lots of more modern (21C) apps on AROS on x86 or ARM, rather than AmigaOS 4.x on x86 or ARM.
Even if we are talking about AROS for 68k (68080+SAGA), I would still prefer to see lots of modern apps for an open Amiga-like OS instead of perpetuating a proprietary OS that has all too often played the role of a blocker.

I suppose the idea being, we have a finite amount of time and similar resources, and creating apps for AROS is equal to porting AmigaOS 4.x. (about 12-24 months common calendar time, which equals to 5-8 years in Amiga time*)
At the end of the expended time and resources:
- the AROS option is an OS that works on x86/ARM and has lots of modern apps
- the AmigaOS option is an OS that works on x86/ARM but has bugger all apps, and non of them really modern, and you still have Hyperion to deal with.

* Does not include potential (read inevitable) law suits

Last edited by agami on 30-Nov-2021 at 03:16 AM.
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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 30-Nov-2021 4:52:19
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@redfox

Yes, that is the correct one.

There is another 68k distribution in making, but not available yet: AROS One 68k

https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=783.0

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Posted on 30-Nov-2021 8:39:55
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@ppcamiga1

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AROS x86/arm has not Amiga compatible gui.


Yes it does, the only thing really lacking on intuition.library on AROS is DisplayAlert (which is marked as obsolete on "real" AmigaOS anyways)

If by "GUI" you mean "MUI", then you are confusing things.
MUI is also not Amiga GUI.

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Posted on 30-Nov-2021 11:50:00
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@rzookol

it is not dead

there are two active branches, one from apolloos team and one from deadwood (currently updating roms). There are also new or updated datatypes and currently one dev returned and is writing new drivers. What you see is not the true picture.

If you are interested join aros exec

https://ae.amigalife.org/

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Posted on 30-Nov-2021 11:51:36
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@deadwood

LOL

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Posted on 30-Nov-2021 12:00:18
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@redfox

yes it is

I am currently working on the next version and hope to upload it in december. It will include both improved and bugfixed roms and datatypes and new improved multiview. And then of course lots of software, games and all based on heavy configured magellan desktop.

For example including AHI, MUI (Zune), RTG, Networks from Aros

Magellan with lots of configurations

And then lots of preconfigured stuff like whdload, XAD, XFD, diskimage device and much more. You can go to aminet by using a browser or FTP, download a archive, open a GUI by doubleclick on archive and browse through it and unpack it.

Just a small example. I have lots of file formats included and converters added that can be used by right-click on it. You can convert lots of atari formats or f.e. koala picture to IFF and then open it. ADF and ISO can ve mounted. And so on. Lots of work in it I hope people like it. The version is for UAE. Next will be version for V4.

Also there is a new version of iGame in works that will be included too.

Screenshot shows opened archive with GUI where you can unpack selected files.

http://www.aros-platform.de/archivebrowsing.png

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Posted on 30-Nov-2021 13:34:43
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I tried AROS out, it not a bad OS, I had it on a netbook, Aspire ONE,

Un planned rant :)
(may first laptop, lot of people frown and mock netbooks, remember apple mocking them with there first iPad, they where nothing amazing, but to do basic office work and web browsing they where dam handy for people who could not afford a laptop, so screw you APPLE!, )

AspireONE was my main use of AROS as all the hardware was supported, there was odd old Amiga app that didn't work but it was not too bad of system. I have tried icaros on virtual PC again its not bad but I dont know what it is, it just didn't quite capture my long term interest and have enjoyed AmigaOS4 & Amikit XE more than AROS. There is the lack of apps that I think does effect AROS even more than OS4, I will likely check it out again at some point, Im glad it exists for the simple reason it gets around the legal mess that AmigaOS 3.X and OS4.X has around it, when simple project like the Vampire team should of been able to use AmigaOS, you realises how important it is to always have another option.

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Posted on 30-Nov-2021 14:07:43
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Aros 68k is very different from Aros X86 or Aros ARM. Normally Aros is source compatible so you need special compiled software. 68k only runs in emulation. Mixing f.e. X86 and 68k is not possible. Aros 68k is very different. You can use both aros software (compiled for 68k) and amiga binaries for it.

Some impressions from my distribution:
http://www.aros-platform.de/tutorial_general_e.html

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Posted on 1-Dec-2021 1:40:01
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@OlafS25

Quote:
There is a 64bit version of aros with smp support but noone cares.


actually I care and I'm one of the largest financial supporters of AROS over the years. However I won't be supporting it any longer due to the lack of 64 bit effort.

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Posted on 1-Dec-2021 18:07:19
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Leading with 4 votes over Pancakes. The future is bright!

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