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Fl@sh 
Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 6-Dec-2021 17:48:22
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Hi Guys,
what's best editor for coding under OS4?
I'm using Annotate it's quite stable and feature rich, but it's no more developed.
Is there something better?
There will be ever a free IDE for coding under OS4?

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 6-Dec-2021 18:34:26
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@Fl@sh

I use notepad, its not tool you use, but how you use it

I dont believe in IDEs, I believe in writing makefiles.

CodeBench should be pretty good,
Some use CED, some use GoldED or whatever its called now.
there are some editors have nice color highlighting.
there two feature I love to see in Amiga text editors and multi-line editing.
And good project search feature. Beyond that I like text editor to be fast, and support UTF.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 6-Dec-2021 19:34:43
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@Fl@sh

Annotate is good. The developer is still active, if you write to him with your suggestions he might consider it. also it's almost infinitely configurable. and it's open source so you could modify it yourself.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
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Quote:
I use notepad, ...
Same here: simple to use and darn little fuss.

Quote:
I dont believe in IDEs, ...
Same here: neither to I.

In general, keep things simple and overseeable, especially when you are (relatively) new to the scene. It provides you with insight which is often obscured by an IDE.

Come to think of it, many, many moons ago when we all looked still young and atractive, I got involved into using an IDE for writing COBOL programs for use on an IBM mainframe computer. The IDE's user interface was highly unusefull as one had to fiddle with settings continuously.
Then one fine day we found out it produced some textfile, which was used to actually create the sourcecode. And we slowly got to grips with that textfile and quit the IDE's horrific userinterface completely. So much for an IDE, but I can safely state that in the past 3 decades IDE's have become far more usefull.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 7-Dec-2021 0:13:05
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@Fl@sh

I use CodeBench which has been pretty good. I write my own makefiles and compile from the command line with it but there are a lot of other nice features like syntax highlighting that i like to have.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 7-Dec-2021 2:55:51
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@Fl@sh
Quote:
what's best editor for coding under OS4?
I'm using Annotate it's quite stable and feature rich, but it's no more developed.
Is there something better?
There will be ever a free IDE for coding under OS4?

Here is my rundown based on my experience:

Editors:
MultiEdit - Notepad with tab and Arexx support. Simple basic editor that works well. $6.50 from AmiStore. I use for scripting and other basic editing. Currently supported. Also part of Enhancer software.

Annotate - Fairly configurable, syntax highlighting, recently supported. Nice editor.

VIM-MUI - VIM editor with MUI interface added. Syntax highlighting, very powerful and configurable editor. A bit of a learning curve to get the most power out of it but worth it if you do a lot of editing. Syntax highlighting, column cut and paste, much much more. Recently supported.

IDE's:
Tide - Tiny very easy to use integrated development environment with very simple editor similar to notepad. No syntax highlighting. Good for beginner who just wants to get their feet wet. I started with this one years ago. No longer supported.

CubicIDE - Nice integrated development environment with a very good, configurable editor that takes a little getting used to as it seems a bit early Windowsish (is that a word). Syntax highlighting, supports folds. Pretty easy to setup and use. I believe it can still be purchased for ~20 EUR. Not supported anymore but works fine. This is what I use.

CodeBench - Most full featured IDE. This is without doubt the most fully featured IDE that runs on AmigaOS4. A bit more complicated to setup than CubicIDE but much more powerful. Syntax highlighting, quick links to functions, SVN support, Autodoc viewer support and more. I setup one of my projects to try it out and it seems nice but I decided to stay with the simpler CubicIDE environment because that's what I am used too. I believe at the time I tried it I did run into a crash or two as well. It's certainly worth looking at and I think there are people that use it regularly. Supported but haven't seen an update in a while.

That's my take. Hopefully other can add their thought or point out something I have missed.

Last edited by ktadd on 07-Dec-2021 at 03:12 AM.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
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@Fl@sh

Struct was (is) promising but no news about it since a long time.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 7-Dec-2021 16:57:46
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@Fl@sh

I use Notepad.

I use ARexx alot, for a variety of functions, from simple scripts, to more complex programs and subroutines. Always learning new stuff and (for me) new concepts as I experiment with MicroRexx, AWNPipe, RxBGUI, RxMUI and ProAction. I'm not a professional programmer, just like to tinker and learn as I go.


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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 13-Dec-2021 7:09:01
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Thank you for your answers, I gave a 2nd chance to codebench.
I used it some year ago under winuae/os3 and it was unstable, memory hungry and quite slow.

Under Os4 it works well and it's ok also for medium sized projects, with custom makefiles.
I'll switch to codebench for all my projects now

What do you use to indent foreign code? Indent command did not the trick for me.
Inside codebench there's a menu to intent code but IMHO it looks do not work.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 13-Dec-2021 21:22:24
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@Fl@sh

Annotate, contact its author, he still intends to work on it.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
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@ktadd

Thanks for your review of the options. Sums it up nicely. My experience would range from NotePad to MicroGoldED to CodeBench.

I use NotePad a lot but it lacks certain features the basic Linux Xed editor has like highlight, tab blocks and comment blocks.

IIRC TIDE was a small useful editor but I had some issues preventing me from using it. It used to crash when saving and it was so common it just made it unusable. Unfortunately it wasn't fixed and the program was abandoned.

CodeBench is s useful package. Unfortunately a full package has yet to arrive even for buyers. And the startup delay can be annoying.

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Posted on 15-Dec-2021 20:20:33
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I use CygnusED. Bought it from some years ago on CD. Works fine on AmigaOS 4.

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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 1:36:28
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@Fl@sh

I also use Annotate.

Once upon a time I would only use lse/se, the Lattice/SAS editor.
It became so "automatic" I never thought I'd leave it.

Eventually I adapted Annotate to be REALLY CLOSE to the old
se. I even use "se" as an alias for Ann.

Not too long ago I wrote a script that will scan all the include/interface
files and create a highlight file for annotate. with that, I can easily
keep the highlighted words up to date with the SDK.

It slows things down a bit, but having a complete set of color coding
for keywords and function calls is worth it to me.

And a VERY nice feature is that the source is available, so you can fix
small bugs along the way.

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
Posted on 18-Dec-2021 11:44:25
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@Fl@sh

Quote:

I used it some years ago under winuae/os3 and it was unstable, memory hungry, and quite slow.


Don't you miss it without anything else? CodeBench is OS4 only. The big problem with codebench (for me), is that it has 10 seconds "pause-wait" on running because of being not registered. But, no one can regster it :) Only those who beta-test it have this "startup-pause" free version.

There is also StormED5 editor as well, which works quite well too.

But for real only Notepad , MultiEdit and Vim are ones which can be used for fast and productive work probably :)

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
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@Fl@sh

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Re: Best editor for coding under OS4
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@Fl@sh

I'll add my two cents as well

When I started programming for OS4, I used Cubic IDE, which is still great considering how old it is. CodeBench felt comparably slower on the Sam, but I ultimately switched to it because of certain features that make my work easier. I especially like that I can click on a function call and the editor takes me to the place/sourcefile where the function is defined. But there are many other helpful features. Of course, on the X5000 the program is much more pleasant to use, although with the latest public version (0.55) I find the updated editor component (richeditor.gadget) unbearably slow - perhaps due to the missing DMA support in the graphics.library? (X1000 users report no such slowness.) So I'm still at version 0.42, which nevertheless does the job very well.

As kas1e has said, the biggest drawback of CodeBench is the 10-second countdown at program start-up, which can become a real nuisance - especially when you're hunting down the source of a mystery crash and you reboot your machine every few minutes. I must have wasted hours of my precious development just because of the countdown! Funnily enough, the program developer won't do anything about it; people even offered to pay him money but to no avail.

At the moment I don't see a decent alternative to CodeBench. I was hoping that AVD would pick up speed and become a serious challenger; I even supported the development of the program by pre-paying a hefty 300 USD to Amiga On The Lake. But all I got was access to a an alpha version of a code editor that reported unfreed signals upon exit, and I haven't heard of any progress ever since. Oh Amiga Land, the holy realm of crooks and thieves! Now I think I would've done better if I had paid the money to Rigo to get rid of the countdown

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Some day I hope to get back into Amiga coding. I got a little burned out from Workbench Explorer. I needed a break. I got in to VR for a while. Now doing JavaScript with some friends.

struct is at 85% done. It is almost usable to edit it's own code with.

I usually start back up with coding in the winter when I am stuck inside............

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@mritter0

How hard and fun is it to learn JavaScript?

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Great news, Im glad it is still being planned enjoy your break and holidays.

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@DiscreetFX

actually i just recently downloaded this APP to my phone, design to teach you Javascript coding and do a little bit day by day to hopefully improve my coding skills, its slight more aimed at kids, but Im befitted from it, best of all its by Google.

Grasshopper: Learn to Code
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.area120.grasshopper&gl=GB

Also just seen this video
Lite XL for OS4 looks promising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwWjNmNmk94&ab_channel=GeorgeSokianos

I use Notepad ++ and Gold Ed 8 / CubeIDE for quick Hollywood coding I wish I was better at it, and more importantly had more time for coding, as I do enjoy it when I get something working or figure out how to do something new, but get easily frustrated when there a problem i just cant see where I've gone wrong.

I feel it a real shame there seem to be a move away in the industry from a What You See is What you Get programs (WYSIWYG) that help people like me just be more creative who might not know how to do all the coding, its why I like Hollywood Designer. I wish we had more Amiga & industry programs focus on more stuff like this to empower users.

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