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DiscreetFX 
Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 17-Dec-2021 15:40:37
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@ppcamiga1

Creeping Me Out: Hex Night is a great-looking game. Better than some commercially released Amiga games.

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Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 17-Dec-2021 16:37:39
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@agami

retro prices are pure BS.
emulators are wasted of time. There is no point to made anythig for emulator.
Commodity hardware, no switch to Commodity hardware,
until Amiga solutions reach at least level that commodity oses reach twenty years ago.

So I will be still using NG either 68k or ppc.

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ppcamiga1 
Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 17-Dec-2021 16:39:03
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Still not worth money that are needed for AGA hardware.

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DiscreetFX 
Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 17-Dec-2021 17:16:09
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It does not require AGA, most people on this forum already have Amiga hardware.

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Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 18-Dec-2021 1:20:46
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@amigang

An honest reply from me is a mixed response.

It's great that yourself and others see good things coming. I do too.
I am quite literally watching things that I have wanted for YEARS coming true today.

I have hopes that the A1222+ will expand our market somewhat, and I can tell you
it's a better machine than I expected.

On the other hand, your subject line breaks my very first rule of Amiga:
ALL FUTURE DATES ARE UNPREDICTABLE.
No matter who, what, or how NEAR into the future you are looking, the
future is not here yet, and WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT MIGHT GET HERE.

This rule has been forged in the flames of public forums, and quenched in the
tears of those who thought "two more weeks" was fourteen days away.

For my self, I'll keep on appreciating what is in front of me already, and keep
building towards what I'd like to see tomorrow. But I won't predict when
ANYTHING is going to happen. Because, well, "Amiga".
Just my two cents.


Happy Holidays to all.
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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 2:12:24
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Quote:
porting of a webkit-based browser to the 68080


Lol.

Funny, funny stuff.

'Cos an engine that is barely usable on a 1.42ghz g4 with 1GB RAM is going to magically work on something ~8x less powerful ?

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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 2:20:05
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@matthey

Quote:
Will THEA500 Mini wet people's appetite or disappoint them?


TheA500 mini is targetting an audience with a semblance of sanity, not people who think or care whether either 68k or ppc matter anymore.
Anyone who cares about the Amiga as anything other than nostalgia is already here complaining or arguing about one thing or another, or over explaining things pretty much no-one within the community even cares about.

It'll whet the appetite of that it targets. The other Amiga enthusiasts can't be appeased. They'd rather argue and mourn than enjoy what they have.

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agami 
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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 3:24:54
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'Cos an engine that is barely usable on a 1.42ghz g4 with 1GB RAM is going to magically work on something ~8x less powerful ?

Who said anything about "magically working"?

Also, Safari was fairly usable on a 1.4GHz G4.
And in 2007, the first iPhone ran Safari on a 412MHz ARM CPU and 128MB RAM.

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Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
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@fishy_fis

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The other Amiga enthusiasts can't be appeased. They'd rather argue and mourn than enjoy what they have.

I can argue and "moan", and mourn, and also enjoy what I have. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 4:09:00
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@agami

And exactly what does Safari from 2007 have to do with current webkit?
*Completely different things.

And no, modern webkit isn't a great experience on any g4.
Wayfarer on my 1.42ghz g4 mac with 1GB is absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of modern websites usage and that's many leagues more powerful.

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ppcamiga1 
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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 8:11:19
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@DiscreetFX

It require 2 MB CHIP.

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ppcamiga1 
Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 18-Dec-2021 8:53:31
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@fishy_fis

As always. It may be shit but must be cheap.
Sane answer from developer in 2000 for pc I have windows.
Sane answer from developer in 2020+ for pc I have win/lnx/osx for arm android and ios.
Enjoy Amiga NG. It is faster and more comfortable than Commodore hardware.
(Of course Commodore hardware with RTG is also ok).



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Kronos 
Re: 2022, Amiga Biggest Year since the 90's?
Posted on 18-Dec-2021 9:39:08
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@amigang


1:
>A1222, I mean I think if the A1222 doesn't launch even in small numbers next year then I think the project really is in trouble,

Quite sure I saw someone posting that in 2020,2019,2018...

2:
>A500 mini launch, putting Amiga back in the high streets and targetting the more main stream market,

Just another EMU box that will do nothing even if they manage to get all licences and sell 1 million on Amazon

3:
>Pistorm for A1200 market will be interesting and of course further improvements to Vampire/Apollo systems.

Same as 2; just on smaller scale

4:
>Really hope the lawsuit between Cloanto & Hyperion is sorted out.

See 1: (may need to replace actors)


-> it has been a downward spiral ever since 1991 (the year I would call "peak-Amiga") and the point of no return has been passed long ago

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BigD 
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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 12:17:29
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it has been a downward spiral ever since 1991 (the year I would call "peak-Amiga") and the point of no return has been passed long ago


Simply wrong. By 1991 Amiga demo scene coders and artists were moving into the game development space and actually using the Amiga's strengths rather than just porting from the Atari ST. While Psygnosis had been doing this it was really The Bitmap Brothers, Sensible Software and especially Team17 that pushed the platform in interesting ways. Therefore, 'peak Amiga' was actually 1991-1996 IMHO.... but you keep playing SWIV, Defender of the Crown and SOTB if you want to!

Obviously, hardware sales peaked in 1991/1992 but that means there was more incentive for a few years to cater for this bigger market as the Atari ST fell away.

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Kronos 
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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 12:56:52
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Quote:

BigD wrote:


Simply wrong. By 1991 Amiga demo scene coders and artists were moving into the game development space and actually using the Amiga's strengths rather than just porting from the Atari ST.


Sure, maybe, whatever.....

By 92 C= released the AGA Amigas which pretty much everybody knew was to little to late, plenty of games started appearing on PC that never made it to Amiga (many because they couldn't be done without leaving most of the HW base behind).

"Pro" use of the Amiga was pretty much confined to linear video editing which was coming to an end (and had already ended for those with top tier budgets).

And for sure everything felt mostly o.k. till late 93 but that doesn't mean the decline hadn't started earlier.

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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 16:48:44
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Quite sure I saw someone posting that in 2020,2019,2018...

It is, once again, time for THE POLL.

When will the A1222 Plus ship?

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BigD 
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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 18:42:50
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@Kronos

Commodore hardware R&D wise it was close to over in the battle with the PC 'generic tech' when the Ranger chipset was cancelled and definitely writing on the wall at the cancelling of the A3000+ with DSP and delaying of AGA beyond 1991.

Consumer-wise and software-wise though we never had it so good than between 1991-1996! And no we didn't need the likes of Adobe and MS apps when we had IrseeSoft (TurboPrint), Grasshopper LLC (PageStream) and Scala (Scala MM400) in our corner! A great home computer platform for the whole of the 90s IMHO and really couldn't have cared less if it played nice with the IBM compatibles of the time although it could with CrossDos, a HD floppy drive (half speed custom motor) and the RTF export option in AmigaWriter and others. DrawStudio supported a range of file export options and conversion programs were available. Just because it didn't run SAP and Lotus 1-2-3 did not mean it didn't fulfil the needs of the European home user better than a early to mid 90s PC. The Americans seemed to want a business machine in their home and shrugged when their kids wanted to play Wolfenstein3D and then Doom! Well done America, you kicked a good thing into touch because of market trends and dull business software!

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Posted on 18-Dec-2021 18:57:58
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@bison

amigaworld - the "poll" platform ;)

I must tell you something shocking ;) I discussed on a german forum with well-known amiga game developers. I thought they would be happy about new better hardware like vampire or PiStorm compared to classic A500 and A1200. To my surprise that was not the case.

For them better hardware is not really interesting because it is no challenge and the games woudl be directly competing with mainstream platforms. The attitude between demo developers is similar. From this view I fear most developers would be not interested in a new platform many people here dream of.

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Kronos 
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@BigD

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Consumer-wise and software-wise though we never had it so good than between 1991-1996!


Thats not the point, as that is just inertia carrying us along for a while after "peak-Amiga".

In the same sense that one would today still sell more copies of a game for PS4 compared to PS5 while noone would argue that PS4's peak is some years in the past.

The AGA Amigas sold a fraction of what C= sold of the A500 (clear sign of of being over the peak) and when ESCOM made some more it till the early 2000s to clear the stock (which some it being bulk shipped to India only to come back to "the West" a decade later). If thats not decline the word just doesn't mean what it is supposed to mean....

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amigaworld - the "poll" platform ;)

I have recently figured that out.

I don't know what to think about the rest of what you said...

@BigD

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Well done America, you kicked a good thing into touch because of market trends and dull business software!

If all else fails, blame America!

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