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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 5-Mar-2022 21:40:39
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will be amazing to be litigation free in Amiga land 'one sweet day' !
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 0:43:35
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X1000 was the right product at its time. |
This statement is highly debatable and I will not get into it right now as it's not on topic. But you have spurred me to write a little essay on all the ways it was certainly not._________________ All the way, with 68k |
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 1:03:02
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there is no broken promise from A-EON about Xorro/Xena |
I listed multiple categories. Xorro/Xena is in the category of strategic and tactical missteps._________________ All the way, with 68k |
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 7:27:44
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Let's not revise history...
From the Wikipedia page for the X1000: Quote:
The first prototype machines were manufactured during mid-2009 and Hyperion Entertainment began the process of porting the AmigaOS to the X1000 in late 2009. |
And from the one for P.A.Semi: Quote:
On 23 April 2008, Apple announced that they had acquired P. A. Semi. |
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On 11 June 2008, [...] P.A. Semi has said that they were willing to supply their PWRficient PA6T-1682M chip on an end-of-life basis |
The X1000 was a boondoggle from the very start, because it was designed around a processor which was EOL at the time of design. |
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 7:28:51
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| It is a success since a final product was build from scratch that deliver, even a commercial success knowing how small the Amiga base is. |
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 8:00:27
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Trevor was unable to recover the development costs so it can't be considered a commercial success, even in Amiga terms. Last edited by Rob on 06-Mar-2022 at 10:21 AM.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 8:15:45
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Rob wrote: @kamelito
Trevor was unable to development costs so it can't be considered a commercial success, even in Amiga terms. |
Any product, story, sentence that starts with "Trevor" can't possibly relate to commercial success.
When you typed "Trevor" and then "success", the spell checker should have suggested maybe you wanted to type...
- quaffing pints of blood - scavenging for rotten corpses - feasting on mounds of wet trash - rivulets of malodorous ichor running from mouths full of pointy teeth
Alas, I doubt any spell checker works on Amiga, as proven by 90% of Amigaworld dot net's posts.
/mega!
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 10:28:03
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sentence that starts with "Trevor" can't possibly relate to commercial success. |
He got his money frm somewhere. |
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 10:51:02
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I thought it was 2010, but your right that does seem even odder to start the project when PPC chip was eol. But I sure i remember reading that Varisys had to talk with apple and even spoke with Steve jobs to get the cpu made/released for x1000 use.
So the original contract or commitment to the CPU supply must of changed from the beginning of the project to the end. Who knows maybe even it was promised that the CPU design was to be released and made by another company at a much cheaper costs, but then they changed their minds. I hope the Vampires Book Volume 2 sheds light as to what happened. Last edited by amigang on 06-Mar-2022 at 11:29 AM.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 15:52:58
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I hope the Vampires Book Volume 2 sheds light as to what happened. |
I'd much rather see Trevor at the helm, actually managing his projects rather than writing another book.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 19:12:41
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| Wow, 10 years. I have two X1000s here -- a black one and a white one. Collect them all! LOL! Military spec CPU -- can ward off attacks by Atari users. Hehe.
Seriously, in hindsight and despite all efforts, the full promises and dreams that came with this project have not been realized. But, I have no regrets. Truth be told, I had more disposable funds a decade ago than I do now. I could not and would not buy into such a project now. But I did then and I still have my machine and its backup and will continue to obtain enjoyment from them. A few months ago, when I had some bills to pay and was quite down on things related to Amiga NG, I looked into selling these things. Couldn't get what I needed to buy me out, so I'm sticking.
Looking back at all the stuff being touted a decade ago -- dual core, Xena, and -- ahem -- bloody ethernet chip, I see our devoted developers ran into some insurmountable mountains. I've given up on expecting these things. A decently modern web browser would be the thing people desperately want now, and any OS4 strategist not putting full resources into that problem is very much going down the wrong path.
It does seem that the things OS4 users ask for repeatedly -- modern web browser and a laptop form computer -- are the very things that are NOT worked on. Head scratching stuff, really. Am almost tempted to put this paragraph on bold for emphasis. Come on.
These days I muck around and play some games and chat on IRC channels and play music and podcasts and read comic books on the X1000. I need to send that rnocomics fella a nice note at least. I'd like to be able to play 1080p or better videos on the X1000 so holding out hope for that. With my more-than-capable current R9 270 graphics card and supporting software I am somehow stuck in a 720p world still while my X5000 and Sam460 brethren seem to have gone beyond this.
Anyway, am getting great pleasure in recent years with my Vampire and Firebird accelerated classic Amigas and the 68K and OS3.x resurgence that has come along with these and similar projects. Also have been building and using Intel and AMD based computers to run Windows and Linux and have revived and upgraded a decade old MacPro tower. Not sure what the OS4 and PPC world will offer as an ongoing movement. I cannot imagine me buying more hardware while my current X1000 computers are not yet fully supported in terms of their possibilities. But I'll happily invest in more software. Note, please, that this means new and upgraded applications, utilities and games. Not duplications of OS elements and certainly not more docks and calendars and screen candies. True HD and 4K video for my hardware can get my money. A real video editor to go along with that, please. A modern web browser. An upgraded FinalWriter and ImageFX. Sketchblock and MediaVault improvements are good progress, so thank you to my friends Andy and George for those. And the latest Hollywood Designer update was major and big deal appreciated, so thanks to Andreas. I will continue to be your customer.
So, the state of things and my mindset a decade after the X1000: I'm not down and I'm not bitter. I'm not an optimistic fanboy either. I have these tools -- er, I mean toys. And I will play with them. Am not expecting anything at all, but will gladly take and appreciate anything good that comes.
Viva Amiga!
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 6-Mar-2022 23:24:30
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I have read your comments and basically wish to say, that finally, someone is taking the right approach to improving theOS. I've been aware of the deficiencies of OS4.x for many years now. And forOS3.x since Commodore had the gall to ship that product. The Graphics subsystem has always been problematic since the Amiga first came out. I should point out that the chipset is not the problem, but the mess someone made out of the graphics software. It would be relatively easy to make a modern chipset. It would be unnecessarily expensive however. All modern computers use graphics cards.
I've had the privilege of using OS4.1 in two different settings. I've used it with an emulator and on a friend of mine's SAM 460. On the SAM, I've used both without an Enhancer package and with an Enhancer package(1.2 I believe). I've seen the before and after. There isn't really much to say about running it on the emulator.
Once you have the graphics subsystem right you will find out that a lot of coders will want to code for the Amiga. As I said at the beginning this has been a terrible headache for the Amiga since Commodore first tried to sell th A1000.
I understand that your work may lead to a new OS. If that is correct, I can suggest lots more areas that need work.but you are definitely starting in the right place. Let me wish you the best of luck in your endeavour.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 1:26:32
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Rob wrote: @MEGA_RJ_MICAL
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sentence that starts with "Trevor" can't possibly relate to commercial success. |
He got his money frm somewhere. |
From being in the right place at the right time, my friend. In the vilest industry, at the time when the world needed it the most.
And let me tell you, friend Rob, regardless - this equation "Wealthy = Successful" is what makes this world of ours a miserable place to live in. And miserable are the people who perpetuate it.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 1:55:41
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He got his money frm somewhere. |
You make it sound like the only place from which to get money, is commercial success.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 1:59:48
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Friend MEGA_RJ_MICAL, I thought I had it in for Trevor, mostly focusing on the apparent lack of business pragmatism when it comes to his ideas and execution surrounding A-Eon and Amiga, but you sir, you take it to another level.
I tip my hat to you. Last edited by agami on 08-Mar-2022 at 01:09 AM.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 4:08:38
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 5:59:54
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 7:24:22
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You make it sound like the only place from which to get money, is commercial success. |
Yeah but there's no point in giving the Fake RJ a longer explanation. |
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 8:04:45
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Tenth Anniversay Posted on 7-Mar-2022 11:56:44
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Not duplications of OS elements |
Well any derivative work based Commodore's original OS code have been the source of legal issues for decades and continues to be. Unfortunately OS4 falls into this category.
Users cannot wait forever for updates and for legal disputes to stop. As a consequence new replacement components have developed that are not derivatives of this legacy source code. Some OS4 purists call this "reinventing the wheel". It had to be done. By doing this these new components are free from legal limbo. They can be freely updated at any time with the added benefit of having the freedom to define the features, and set the release date. OS4.1 Update 2 was made available 14 months ago - that was a collection of 5 years of minor bug fixes which were stagnating, unreleased after beta test. Following the Hyperion management leaving, it took some efforts by a few volunteers to get it finally released to end-users. A stark contrast with the Enhancer Software project where components can be released and upgraded frequently.
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and certainly not more docks and calendars and screen candies. |
Candi made its debut in the Enhancer Software 1.0 on 1st May 2016 Calendar made its debut in the Enhancer Software 1.1 on 31st August 2016 X-Dock made its debut in the Enhancer Software 1.2 on 27th December 2016
That was a very long time ago and many other components have been added to the Enhancer Software since then. Check out the latest Version 2.1 which features amazing new functionality such as Video Acceleration, updated Warp3D Nova, upgrades to Archiver, MultiEdit and MultiViewer- plus much, much more.
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True HD and 4K video for my hardware can get my money. |
That already exists in the latest Enhancer Software V2.1 - however X1000 need a firmware upgrade to use Polaris cards. This is nothing to do with the Enhancer Software- it is purely a firmware issue.
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