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ppcamiga1 
Port Amiga Os 4x to x86 - what, who, how
Posted on 30-May-2022 7:28:32
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Port

What ?

I like PowerPC Amiga beacuse it feel like real Amiga.
Better than these made by Commodore after ECS.
It has Amiga gui and graphics. It has Amiga feeling.

I like PowerPC Amiga beacuse it is not a pc. It is nice hobby.
For pc I have Windows. I have tools that I use for twenty five years.
There is always version of software for windows because windows users pays ours bills.
There is no reason to made yet another version of software
for os that is many years behing windows.
There is no fun in it.

Provide something that will have Amiga gui and graphics, Amiga feeling.
And will be good enough to sell our customers instead of Windows.
Something like Mac Os X. Unix with Amiga gui and graphics on top of it.

Who ?

This should be done by all this that want to switch to pc.
szulc, di mauro, karlos, paolo, neuf etc

How ?

Cancel x86 aros. Nobody need this crap.
Add integration to ppc aros like MOS and Amiga Os 4.
Work on zune to made it compatible.
When Amiga gui and graphis will be compatible port it to unix.
Made some nice RAD tools for mui.
Made port of oo, chrome for Amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.

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Posted on 30-May-2022 8:02:13
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@ppcamiga1

Didn't you already post this? Anyway, you have me all wrong. I'm not especially interested in porting AmigaOS to x64. AROS is already there and AxRuntime on Linux with further development and the Scalos desktop looks like it could actually become the 64-bit, SMP "Amiga" that many users want.

Personally, I'm more interested in evolving AmigaOS on 68K and providing a bare metal emulator for it running on x64. Something in the vein of Umilator, but with more modern hardware support.

What I'm not particularly interested in PPC. It's dead, Jim. Expensive boutique hardware with zero hope of repair or replacement except using even more expensive boutique hardware? Hobbies can be expensive, sure. But this one doesn't need to be. If you think otherwise, maybe you should check your privilege.

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Port

What ?

Who ?

Huh Huh HHHUH

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Posted on 30-May-2022 8:50:56
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When Amiga gui and graphis will be compatible port it to unix.
Made port of oo, chrome for Amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.


Unix AIX? Solaris?
Tbh, chances are that there are less individual using them at home than amigaos flavors

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Posted on 30-May-2022 9:52:07
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@Karlos

I think there will be life and chances for all branches... Aros 68k with its variations, Aros NG "pure" amd Aros on Linux. My personal main interest will be Aros 68k and Aros on Linux (AxRuntime) what potentially will become what many people ask for. For fun I will also do a little on Aros X86 just for testing what is possible and as preparation for the change to Linux. And yes I think Scalos will offer the chance to get amiga look&feel on a new platform. I do not know why ppcamiga1 repeats his nonsense like a broken record and never reacts on others.

@ppcamiga1

Sorry Zune is good enough to port MUI software already. Nobody waits on amiga stuff on mainstream platforms. Also it is lots of work to change the GUI of modern applications to a amiga GUI. It is a waste of time in my view. And for the few existing amiga applications there are normally lots of better alternatives already. More important than wasting time on that is to get the amiga look&feel to the new platform, including desktop and configuration like shortcuts. You seem not to know what you ask for. Browsers f.e. are constantly evolving and sources changed. It is not a one-time task. The same for oo and other applications.

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Posted on 30-May-2022 10:56:19
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On whatever HW, native drivers would be nice.

ARM looks very much OK nowdays.

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Posted on 30-May-2022 16:44:42
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@all

Commercial Break

https://www.gekko-computer.de/Workstations.html?sort=4

155 € for the cheapest XEON Workstation
3900 for the most expensive one with zillions of Cores

And I could run AROS on it if I adapt the Hardware!

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Posted on 30-May-2022 17:10:10
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Posted on 30-May-2022 20:42:56
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@ppcamiga1

Here we go, the most pathetic troll strikes back;)
Btw who is this “szulc “ you mention so often? You must be absolutely obsessed with this guy…

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cdimauro 
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Posted on 30-May-2022 21:19:01
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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote:
Port

What ?

I like PowerPC Amiga beacuse it feel like real Amiga.
Better than these made by Commodore after ECS.
It has Amiga gui and graphics. It has Amiga feeling.

I like PowerPC Amiga beacuse it is not a pc. It is nice hobby.
For pc I have Windows. I have tools that I use for twenty five years.
There is always version of software for windows because windows users pays ours bills.
There is no reason to made yet another version of software
for os that is many years behing windows.
There is no fun in it.

Provide something that will have Amiga gui and graphics, Amiga feeling.
And will be good enough to sell our customers instead of Windows.
Something like Mac Os X. Unix with Amiga gui and graphics on top of it.

Who ?

This should be done by all this that want to switch to pc.
szulc, di mauro, karlos, paolo, neuf etc

How ?

Cancel x86 aros. Nobody need this crap.
Add integration to ppc aros like MOS and Amiga Os 4.
Work on zune to made it compatible.
When Amiga gui and graphis will be compatible port it to unix.
Made some nice RAD tools for mui.
Made port of oo, chrome for Amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.

Again. Again. Again. Hamster!

Now I give you just one answer: I've other interests and you should do on your own something for the cadavers that you venerate.

@michalsc

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@ppcamiga1

Here we go, the most pathetic troll strikes back;)

He's a hamster, so he's used to do exactly the same things over and over again...
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Btw who is this “szulc “ you mention so often? You must be absolutely obsessed with this guy…

It should be his nemesis, since it was put (again) at the first position.

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Posted on 30-May-2022 21:30:54
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@DC_Edge

You are not aware that any device sold by Apple today is a unix, and in case of macOS, certified unix even? And then there all the othet BSDs that also are unix, one of them DragonFlyBSD which even has an Amiga connection. Solaris is Illumos these days btw, and one distro of Illumos is OpenIndiana… it’s not quite dead yet.

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Posted on 30-May-2022 23:27:45
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@ppcamiga1

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Better than these made by Commodore after ECS.


PPC in your opinion feels more like a 'real' Amiga than AGA/RTG 90s Amigas?! With MagicTV AGA Amigas can actually be used comfortably for productivity on a regular TV! That was crucial in the 90s and early 00s. Even the Atari ST beat OCS/ECS machines in regards to productivity screen modes! What 'feeling' do the limited OCS ECS machines give you in common with PPC Teron proto-boards etc? Cutting edge graphics technology? Doubtful. Blitter/Copper unique custom chip features? Nope, because AmigaPPC uses off the shelf PC graphics cards!

AGA however underwhelming to some was still a step forward and that era brought us the best productivity programs and some of the best games on the Amiga. What did PPC bring us? Candy Factory and Wipeout 2097?!

... ridiculous statement.

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Posted on 31-May-2022 0:13:53
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@ppcamiga1

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This should be done by all this that want to switch to pc.
szulc, di mauro, karlos, paolo, neuf etc


Of the 5 names you indicated 3 have already said no.

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Cancel x86 aros.


How do you know that cancelling AROS will encourage those people to work on porting OS 4x to x86?

Plus I have already said that I am going to install AROS on a spare PC and take it to CLASS.

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agami 
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Posted on 31-May-2022 4:02:09
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@ppcamiga1

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How ?

Cancel x86 aros. Nobody need this crap.
Add integration to ppc aros like MOS and Amiga Os 4.
Work on zune to made it compatible.
When Amiga gui and graphis will be compatible port it to unix.
Made some nice RAD tools for mui.
Made port of oo, chrome for Amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.

Sounds like someone who is not entirely happy with AmigaOS 4 on their super-expensive PPC (not a PC) fun hobby hardware.

If indeed someone were to fund a team of developers to accelerate AROS development, they would skip the PPC steps and go straight for x86. An install base of a thousand or so machines is inconsequential.

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Posted on 31-May-2022 5:07:16
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@Hyperion


OBEY!
Bring Amiga OS 4.1 FE to standard PCs with full Driver Support! I would buy a Copy for 129,95 €


Promise!

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cdimauro 
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Posted on 31-May-2022 5:59:15
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@agami

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@ppcamiga1

Quote:
How ?

Cancel x86 aros. Nobody need this crap.
Add integration to ppc aros like MOS and Amiga Os 4.
Work on zune to made it compatible.
When Amiga gui and graphis will be compatible port it to unix.
Made some nice RAD tools for mui.
Made port of oo, chrome for Amiga gui and graphics on top of unix.

Sounds like someone who is not entirely happy with AmigaOS 4 on their super-expensive PPC (not a PC) fun hobby hardware.

Exactly. He's a blind fanatic OS4/PowerPC Taliban, which wants to "preserve" it from "attacks" (everything negative is, of course, an attack: critics of any kind aren't allowed in his hamster's mind) of the "infidels".
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If indeed someone were to fund a team of developers to accelerate AROS development, they would skip the PPC steps

Fortunately nobody is so stupid to invest time on AROS PowerPC flavor.
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and go straight for x86.

I disagree on this. It would be much better to invest on AROS x64 flavor.

x86 is mature-enough, and could still be kept alive backporting patches (if they don't take too much effort). But this flavor should be abandoned at a certain point in time (I hope soon).

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Posted on 31-May-2022 7:54:54
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@BigD

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With MagicTV AGA Amigas can actually be used comfortably for productivity on a regular TV! That was crucial in the 90s and early 00s. Even the Atari ST beat OCS/ECS machines in regards to productivity screen modes!


MagicTV is nothing more than a color palette. Using less bright colors reduces flicker. That's all it does.
And AtariST doesn't beat ECS in productivity screenmodes.
ECS has productivity screenmodes of 640x480 in 4 colors non interlaced/31khz. 800x600 screenmodes can also be created.
Atari ST has 640x400 in monochrome/31khz.

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@fishy_fis

MagicTV was more than just a dimmer palette. Additional bit planes were used which is why there was a colour depth restriction. I used to use MagicTV before I got an RTG card to make laced displays tolerable, which it was surprisingly good at.

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@Karlos

I'd never noticed the bit depth restrictions. My workbench was only ever 4bit prior to going rtg.
I used it (MagicTV) for a while, but stopped once I noticed there was no tangible difference in using it vs a carefully selected palette.
Being a fairly visually oriented person I opted for complete control over palette and not using ram/cpu resources (minimal as they were) vs MagicTV.

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