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MEGA_RJ_MICAL 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 6-Nov-2022 6:05:38
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Quote:

Karlos wrote:
Try using a regular Google search, prefixing your search expression with site:amigaworld.net



In this pensive night,

four words thunderously echo through the shadowy archways,
the dimly lit stairwells,
the hallways and tortuous corridors of the vast estate I haunt like a ghost of a past long gone:

"KARLOS, ARE YOU THICK?"

Browsing!.
Browsing is what I am talking of, friend Karlos!
Friend who is capable of elaborate digressions on instructions set,
OF CONJURING VIRTUAL CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS, BY CHRIST,
but can't nonetheless latch his mind onto the meaning of my oh so simple question.

Browsing!
Browsing is what I wonder the unavailability of,
given that those threads are, in fact, there.

A simple forum search can find them, no need to resort to Alphabet's crown jewel.
A parameter substitution in one of those pitiful php urls can find them.
But browsing? No. We are denied that.

FRIEND SIBBI, I SUMMON THEE! EMERGE!!
RISE FROM YOUR SLUMBER AND UNVEIL FOR US THIS EQUIVALENT OF WHAT FATIMA'S FINAL SECRET WAS FOR THE CATHOLICS!


Sincerely,

"Mega" ""RJ"" Mical
Friend, specter, instigator.







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bhabbott 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 6-Nov-2022 8:55:26
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@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote:

It sucks for you only because you have no tool on your Amiga that allows to access it.

Another unwarranted assumption?

So what tool would I use on Linux?

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BigD 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 6-Nov-2022 12:40:25
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

And how would you use this knowledge? For good or ill? I foresee a dark age where Violent Ken wields the knowledge gleaned from the AmigaWorld vaults to bring about a calamitous schism in the Amiga community!

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cdimauro 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 6-Nov-2022 12:48:21
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@bhabbott

Quote:

bhabbott wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:

cdimauro wrote:

It sucks for you only because you have no tool on your Amiga that allows to access it.

Another unwarranted assumption?

So what tool would I use on Linux?

You were talking about your A1200 before and never mentioned Linux.

With Linux you've no problems, of course.

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agami 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 7-Nov-2022 2:36:49
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@cdimauro

Quote:
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL: well, the site is running on a very old platform, which unfortunately is just maintained the minimum that it's required ("it works? Then it's ok").

Improvements require funds, which just for a site like this aren't worth the RoI.

Maybe some volunteer which is trusted by the owner could help here.

Negative. Improvements require will.

Is anyone going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the prophesied messiah, who cometh to liberate us from the temptation of "PC" hardware, Amiga emulation, and Hyperion itself, with hundreds of thousands of pounds thrown into esoteric hardware for a couple thousand acolytes, does not have a few thousand quid to spare to update a forum that the greater cross section of the Amiga community frequents?

All that is lacking is the will to do so.

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cdimauro 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 7-Nov-2022 5:17:20
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@agami

Quote:

agami wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:
cdimauro wrote:
@MEGA_RJ_MICAL: well, the site is running on a very old platform, which unfortunately is just maintained the minimum that it's required ("it works? Then it's ok").

Improvements require funds, which just for a site like this aren't worth the RoI.

Maybe some volunteer which is trusted by the owner could help here.

Negative. Improvements require will.

Is anyone going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the prophesied messiah, who cometh to liberate us from the temptation of "PC" hardware, Amiga emulation, and Hyperion itself, with hundreds of thousands of pounds thrown into esoteric hardware for a couple thousand acolytes, does not have a few thousand quid to spare to update a forum that the greater cross section of the Amiga community frequents?

All that is lacking is the will to do so.

The owner of this site is the same of other Amigan, where there's maintenance of forums etc..

However I think that the problem with this specific site is that it's too old and custom-made, so updating it requires much more time (other forums use famous forum softwares AFAIR).

And there's some volunteer maintaining the other sites.

So, I think that it's a combination of complexity (custom software is harder to maintain) plus lack of volunteers that want's to take this burden.

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pixie 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 7-Nov-2022 20:52:15
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I guess this forum is now running in self drive mode, without moderation how people expect improvements is beyond me

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Karlos 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 7-Nov-2022 21:52:39
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@pixie

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cdimauro 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 8-Nov-2022 6:04:59
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@pixie

Quote:

pixie wrote:
I guess this forum is now running in self drive mode, without moderation how people expect improvements is beyond me

I fully agree.

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agami 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 1:56:26
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@cdimauro

Quote:
cdimauro wrote:
@pixie

Quote:
pixie wrote:
I guess this forum is now running in self drive mode, without moderation how people expect improvements is beyond me

I fully agree.

Just because no one moderates the forum, does not mean no one owns the forum.

How is it that any of us that expect improvements can be so?
Because the forum still has an owner. Someone that at the very least pays for the domain name renewal, and for the hosting.
An owner of a rare Amiga community online hangout, who was moved to buy up the asset (yes, it's an asset), should also be moved to improve it.
Unless it was just a cynical digital land-grab move with no interest to actually service the community beyond the minimal required effort.

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cdimauro 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 5:42:36
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@agami

Quote:

agami wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:
cdimauro wrote:
@pixie

I fully agree.

Just because no one moderates the forum, does not mean no one owns the forum.

How is it that any of us that expect improvements can be so?
Because the forum still has an owner. Someone that at the very least pays for the domain name renewal, and for the hosting.
An owner of a rare Amiga community online hangout, who was moved to buy up the asset (yes, it's an asset), should also be moved to improve it.
Unless it was just a cynical digital land-grab move with no interest to actually service the community beyond the minimal required effort.

As I've said, maybe it requires too much to improve the forum or to move it to a modern software.

But moderation is something which can and should be addressed, because doesn't require money.

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agami 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 7:13:00
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@cdimauro

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But moderation is something which can and should be addressed, because doesn't require money.

It requires time, and time is money.

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pixie 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 7:33:07
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@agami

FFS, we had moderators back then, and they didn't had a patreon account, they did it because it fit with them. AFAIS the owners doesn't mind their site going down the gutter but will spend their time and money on improving it, yeah right, it makes sense

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agami 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 9:33:55
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@pixie

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FFS, we had moderators back then

Exactly, "we had". Emphasis on the had.

A volunteer workforce only goes so far. Moderation is not some 5 minutes/day task, it requires daily dedication, or some moderation tech.

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Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 9:40:48
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agami wrote:

A volunteer workforce only goes so far. Moderation is not some 5 minutes/day task, it requires daily dedication, or some moderation tech.


If I remember correctly,
one of the many, many, many wonders information technology wizard Belxjander was working on,
was an AI of sorts.

Perhaps we could use that!

/MEGA!

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Karlos 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 12:31:02
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Belxjander?

There's a blast from the past. I remember him working on two different things. Something for non-letter based text input and something else that sounded really grandiose at the time, offering the potential to run binaries intended for different architectures.

I recall being somewhat sceptical about the latter, to say the least.

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redfox 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 9-Nov-2022 22:23:27
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From: Canada

I suppose it depends on what a person is searching for ...

There is the general search at the top of the webpage.

There is also a slightly more detailed search available under
Menu/Information/Search.

Anyways, I found that I can see my posts all the way back to March 7, 2003 when I joined amigaworld.net.

Of course, I can't see the originals of any posts that were deleted or moderated by the moderators, and I can't see any posts that were part of a thread that was blown away by a moderator.

And, I don't know if the secret forums were ever opened up to regular users like you and me.

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cdimauro 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 10-Nov-2022 5:18:09
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@agami

Quote:

agami wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:
But moderation is something which can and should be addressed, because doesn't require money.

It requires time, and time is money.

Moderation is usually volunteers-based.

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number6 
Re: Forum constraints!
Posted on 10-Nov-2022 17:33:37
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@redfox

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And, I don't know if the secret forums were ever opened up to regular users like you and me.


They were.

Also a number of forums (when dissolved) became a part of a great undertaking by a moderator to "move" (not delete) threads from dissolved forums to appropriate on topic existing forums.

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@number6



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