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Poll : Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum?
Yes, via subscription
Yes, once off
No, but I would create an account
No, I'm fine with the broken ones we have
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BigD 
Re: Poll: Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum
Posted on 11-Nov-2022 19:55:37
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@kolla

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We need amiga.org to report that amigaworld is down, and vice versa.


Yes, that's the last sensible use for both. I guess Amiga.org is also used to make AmigaKit news announcements a bit more official. AmigaWorld.net is better for news of Hollywood updates. Good use of resources really. Wouldn't we have been better saving and updating the Amiga Web Directory and merging Amiga.org and AmigaWorld (much as I prefer AmigaWorld)?

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Re: Poll: Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum
Posted on 11-Nov-2022 21:32:52
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As for content ... let's just say I would not recommend this website.

If the goal was to stoop to the level of Moobunny, we succeeded long ago.

redfox

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Re: Poll: Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum
Posted on 11-Nov-2022 23:56:38
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@BigD

Every now and then, whether you know it or not, you hit the proverbial nail on the head:
Quote:
What would we discuss?

That is the quintessential question. All other things such as garnering users, making sure those on 68k Amigas can participate, having independent verification of site uptime, are merely engineering problems.

@interlocutors

As I was reading the responses that referenced other Amiga forums, I quickly visited the front pages of each:
- amiga.org and amigans.net top topics were for the most part dealing with user issues, as if they were only tech support forums.
- eab.abime.net doesn't even have a front page
- I didn't care to dial-up anything Amiga on Facebook

Tech support forums are important, and while AW.net sometimes fields similar questions, I'm glad it is not the go-to place for getting assistance on buffered interface speed issues and the like.

Thank you for taking part in the poll, and thank you for sharing your opinions.

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 1:03:28
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Friends,
Amigaworld dot net,
this place that David Doyle originally created for us,
was a unique kind of place before the dawn of moderation - and even more so today.

It scratches itches, quoting Agami, that no other community/forum/"internet place" can.

How? Why? Hard to say.
Some flavors just can't be deconstructed, and if one tries to do so, and replicated them,
they never come out right.

It's this safe space where one can climb on a chair and rant away,
pretending to be an expert in this or that field without knowing much about it,
asking money for broken unfinished software,
bragging about not-even-amateurish-looking porn minigames,
bugging people with the same question over and over again in completely broken English,
mixing completely unrelated subjects,

without shame, without fear.
Why? How?
Because here you can be confident that someone will one-up you.
Because here you can be reasonably sure that if you're the fat shy kid everyone made fun of,
well there's an obese and socially awkward kid around the corner that will make you look like John Wayne.

And some of the most quirky dwellers,
things that only come at night from forgotten basements,
they come through browsers that wouldn't be able to open the door to mainstream fora,
facebook, reddit and the likes.

Amigaworld dot net needs to remain as-is.
IF ONLY IT COULD BE FIXED TO DISPLAY OLD THREADS, EH?




/mega rjm


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Re: Poll: Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum
Posted on 12-Nov-2022 1:35:15
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Why you haven't been hounded out of here by now I'll never know. You really do see the worst in Amigans, this forum and the state of things! Just go and watch EastEnders on BBC 1 if you want sarcasm, postering, smack talk and petty arguments please!

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BigD wrote:

Why you haven't been hounded out of here by now I'll never know.


"Hounded out",
ah how revealing this is, of who you are.
Saint patron of the conservative mob mentality.

"Oh my, there's a bum who spoils our view, quick - hound him out!. And now let's go to the church and chant we are all brothers and tolerant and equal"

/m

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Re: Poll: Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum
Posted on 12-Nov-2022 2:23:07
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

I am intolerant of your bullying, your talking down to people and your general malevolence and ill nature. No amount of waxing lyrical with poetic prose can shield this truth. You seem to remember this forum's past fondly without you sharing ANYTHING of your love of the actual Amiga itself or sharing anything of the true 'man behind the mask'! You carry yourself off like No-Face in Spirited Away;

You reflect the decay and malaise of this forum in its current state and then magnify it! Why? Shame on you!

Did you play Fightin' Spirit in the end? Are you able to experience fun in such an endeavour? I'm not sure you'd share the experience even if you did enjoy! It doesn't fit in with your chosen avatar no I guess you consider it irrelevant! Well it isn't and you make yourself irrelevant if you don't share and participate IMHO!

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 2:50:54
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Friend BigD,

eyeing my finish line,
the moment you've been waiting for a long time
(but which I know you will one day regret wishing for!),
I will for once indulge in matthey/cdimauroesque point-by-point reply.

Quote:
I am intolerant of your bullying, your talking down to people and your general malevolence and ill nature.


Bullying, my friend, is a term coined, or better - repurposed
by this new generation of sissies which I am pretty sure you shouldn't chronologically belong to,
but yet you seem to represent oh so well.

Collection of samples, analysis, personal conclusions and reporting is what I do.
It's scientific, cold perhaps, but merely scientific in its execution.
How is it "bullying" to repeat to someone the things they themselves said and wrote,
and add my personal opinion - which I am fully entitled to - on top of that?
Call it an exposé, if you want.
Journalism, there you go.

Quote:
You seem to remember this forum's past fondly without you sharing ANYTHING of your love of the actual Amiga itself


COME ON for the love of that god you so often mention!
WHO actually dwells amigaworld anymore to talk about the Amiga anymore?
The Amiga here is a proxy. A PROXY, my friend,
for that guy with the old fashioned bicycle to get off on court rulings,
for another guy who sells wheels to show off what a polymath he is,
and so forth and so forth.

Everything that could have been said on the Amiga,
was said and discussed and dissected.
The Amiga is gone, but the people stayed,
and now Amigaworld is a self-referential place,
it's about the Amigaworld people itself - not the Amiga,
not anymore.


Quote:
or sharing anything of the true 'man behind the mask'! You carry yourself off like No-Face in Spirited Away;


IS THAT SO, friend BigD?
IS IT?
Am I not Franko?


Quote:
You reflect the decay and malaise of this forum in its current state and then magnify it! Why?


Because the night,
my friend,
is at its darkest before sunrise.

Because we need to accelerate the bottoming of Amigaworld,
for it to rise from its ashes like a magnificent phoenix.

And if in the process we can rid it of some malignant tumors,
such as the porn peddlers, the scammers, the mentally ill,
so be it.


Quote:
Did you play Fightin' Spirit in the end?


Did I!
Not too shabby,
but a bit too much over the top,
somewhat cringeworthy in its chasing of the Street Fighter tropes.


Where were we now?
AH YES,
WOULD YOU DONATE FOR A NEW AMIGA ONLINE FORUM?






/m!



thanks for your submission

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Re: Poll: Would you donate for a new Amiga online forum
Posted on 12-Nov-2022 3:18:38
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Quote:
Quote:
Did you play Fightin' Spirit in the end?


Did I! Not too shabby, but a bit too much over the top, somewhat cringeworthy in its chasing of the Street Fighter tropes.


Well that's at least something despite the fact you think that this forum is no longer primarily a place to discuss such things!

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 6:16:28
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Quote:

MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote:

Collection of samples, analysis, personal conclusions and reporting is what I do.
It's scientific, cold perhaps, but merely scientific in its execution.

And we know that you failed on this, going to completely wrong conclusions due to your fervid imagination.

Plus, you resorted to logical fallacies to justify your positions.

How much "scientific" is it?
Quote:
How is it "bullying" to repeat to someone the things they themselves said and wrote,
and add my personal opinion - which I am fully entitled to - on top of that?

Come on, we know that you've a great joy on taking the piss of people and going to personal attacks.
Quote:
Call it an exposé, if you want.

I prefer to call it ridiculing people, which is exactly what you're doing since you are here.

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 6:41:00
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Quote:
Quote:
Call it an exposé, if you want.

I prefer to call it ridiculing people, which is exactly what you're doing since you are here.


Truth be told - It doesn't take much effort when people are as grotesque as you are!

/m!



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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 6:58:00
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Quote:

MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote:
Quote:

I prefer to call it ridiculing people, which is exactly what you're doing since you are here.


Truth be told - It doesn't take much effort when people are as grotesque as you are!

/m!

Let me quote again myself: "your fervid imagination"

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 7:21:54
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Let me quote again myself


Yes, friend cdimauro,
that's most of what you do all the time, anyway.


Quote:
"your fervid imagination"


One does not need to imagine,
in this age of ubiquitous audio/video resources!

And with this, you are truly dismissed.
I need to go rewatch The Goonies, you've inspired me,
I'll let you guess why


/MEGA!

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 7:25:03
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Quote:

MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote:
Quote:
Let me quote again myself


Yes, friend cdimauro,
that's most of what you do all the time, anyway.


Quote:
"your fervid imagination"


One does not need to imagine,
in this age of ubiquitous audio/video resources!

And with this, you are truly dismissed.
I need to go rewatch The Goonies, you've inspired me,
I'll let you guess why


/MEGA!

Dear differently smart and unlucky friend, I've already told you that I don't watch the videos that you post...

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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Friend Mega,
a good finding, I will check that later ... a bit low on views and thumbs (guess why) though.

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Well, I totally enjoy everything posted by MEGA, and I probably do more with actual real Amiga systems than you lot of talking heads together - and I don’t mean silly games (that’s probably also why I tend to find all the bugs and bullshit in the current OS releases)

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@BigD

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I am intolerant of your bullying, your talking down to people and your general malevolence and ill nature


I seem to recall your thread that went on for multiple dozens of pages where your intolerance of gay people was on full display, was gleeful about Australia's (that turned out temporary) disallowing of gay people to marry coupled with a complete lack of tolerance to other peoples suggestions that people should be allowed to do as it pleases so long as they don't hurt anyone.
You argued with pretty much every single post where people didnt agree with your sentiments citing a downfall of civilization as a consequence, "won't people think of the children/families" and nigh on all the usual go to cliches people like to throw around.

Perhaps a simple,
Quote:
I am intolerant

Would be more apt.

There's bait here, but Im curious to see if you can refrain from biting, even though you've point blank been told this.

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@cdimauro

Make peace with it:




⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀𝓷𝓸 𝓸𝓷𝓮 𝓵𝓲𝓴𝓮𝓼 𝔂𝓸𝓾





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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 12:22:46
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@fishy_fis

People with same sex attraction have my sympathy not my disdain. We ALL have corrupted sexual drives in differing ways following the 'fall in the Garden of Eden' but where we disagree is that I believe that these impulses do NOT define who we are. Marriage is as it has always been; the union of one man and one woman for life despite society attempting to redefine this absolute! The financial cost of family breakdown is already affecting western society. We can't afford to pay and retain nurses here in the UK. We haven't invested in energy diversity over the last few decades especially neglecting new nuclear power plants (did our politicians not play SimCity?).

Not supporting and promoting 'family' as well as the ridiculous gender politics infactuation of the media WILL make us a poorer and less stable society. FACT.

Every woke 'diversity' policy is seemingly spun into a society wide social experiment that can only fail. The best environment for bringing up children is normally with their biological mother and father (if loving and functional) in a stable married relationship. Since men and women ARE different the child has two distinct role models to help them to relate to the world. This model of child rearing is what our historical society was built on and we destabilise and replace it at our peril. We already have through the roof levels of depression, body dysphoria, toxic male incels, sad childless women. These issues are partly due to broken families, lack of good male role models and the prevelance of 'empowered' (read: misinformed) promiscuous/career driven women who are in no rush to get married despite their body clock ticking jeopardising their chance of having children.

We know our rights but we don't understand our responsibilities. We expect the 'experts' to sort out our failing society and yet Matt Hancock and Boris were morally dubious allowing the mass culling of the elderly in our 'care homes' during the pandemic. The Red Arrows have lost two pilots through sexual immorality and the resulting toxic culture. The Church of England allows its bishops to disregard 2,000 years of Biblical interpretation because of the false god of 'experiential feelings' trumping truth. Society is cracking apart around us and yet it is considered progress!

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Posted on 12-Nov-2022 12:51:51
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote:
@cdimauro

Make peace with it:
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀𝓷𝓸 𝓸𝓷𝓮 𝓵𝓲𝓴𝓮𝓼 𝔂𝓸𝓾

I think that you will never make peace with logic. In fact you have a combo of logical fallacies here:

Argumentum ad populum:
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because the majority thinks so.

plus:

Faulty generalization
A special subclass of the informal fallacies is the set of faulty generalizations, also known as inductive fallacies. Here the most important issue concerns inductive strength or methodology (for example, statistical inference). In the absence of sufficient evidence, drawing conclusions based on induction is unwarranted and fallacious.

And unfortunately for you, logic isn't something that you can buy at the market...

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