@ppcamiga1

Come on. Don't call me a troll, that is mean. I am on your side.

Os4 belongs on PPC and should never switch to an inferior PC isa like x86, arm, risc-v ...
It should stay on PPC where it belongs forever.

This is what you say, I just wanted to show my support and that I agree with you.

@V8

you sre on his troll list

too late

@ppcamiga1

You criticise AROS and I am sure you have never tried it, or if you have tried it you did it years ago.

AROS updates the Core every month and hundreds of bugs are fixed every year, a lot of work with a few people.

To clarify MUI does not exist on AROS, on AROS there is a clone of it called ZUNE, and for certain things it has features that MUI on OS4 does not have.

Applications on AROS there are some professional ones that don't exist on AMIGA OS4 like ZunePaint, ZuneFIG, last but not least Mplayer where you can play and watch all popular Video formats in high quality and resolution like MP4, MPG, QT, VOB, AVI, DIVX, ASF, QT, 3GP, FLC, FLI, MOV, WMV, but also Audio files like MP3, ACC, FLAC, OGG, M4A, AC3, AIFF, WAV, PlayList Radio M3U and PLS, on OS4. 1 after 30 years I don't think there is a system player that can do this and that well.

MPlayer AROS Skin
https://youtu.be/FaDRwnKkW3U

Mplayer Download and Play MP3
https://youtu.be/0WdaY3bHfuc

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@thinkchip

PPC hasn't worked

It failed to become a widespread desktop architecture and the AOS4 community is not big enough for a market that could even compete with Apple.

Motherboards will always be more expensive than standard systems on x86 or ARM and even software support is lacking behind.

If you look back to the numbers of AOS3 desktop models you will realize, how tiny this numbers where compared to the game consoles like the A500/A1200. These customers bought Amigas because they where cheap gaming systems, only a fraction of them would have bought an desktop system in the price range of a PC.

For a cheap hardware you would have needed something, that would have been a desirable product outside the Amiga community, all the Workstation, SetTopBox or Kiosk projects failed.

Let's move on, be glad if you Amiga / AOS4 or MorphOS system still works and move on, there are nice cheap systems that can provide usable emulations.

@OlafS25

ScalOS has transitioned to linux, making Amiga look in linux apps possible.

https://youtu.be/6TwA-u8T3gg?si=rTj0DEE-33VYizGM

Artx.org link in description

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@V8

ok

@OlafS25

szonwejs stop trolling

@AMIGASYSTEM

stop this bs. zune is still not compatible with mui.
after 29 years aros still has not compatible mui clone.

to attract people outside current amiga community
amiga solutuions on pc have to be decent
amiga solutuions on pc have to be unix based

aros x86 should be canceled
aros arm should be canceled
emu68 should be canceled
zune should be made mui compatible
then everyting below amiga gui and graphics should be cut off
and amiga gui and graphics should be ported to unix

@kolla

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kolla wrote: @cdimauro Quote: No, they can only develop OS4 and not 3.x or other software. Well, since Ben managed to screw up his 2009 deal by releasing “OS3 stuff� claiming that _any_ OS developed by Hyperion by definition is “OS4�, to which the other parties of the agreement did not agree, the 2009 agreement is under dispute and it’s up in the air whether Hyperion can even develop OS4 anymore.

NOW Ben can say whatever he wants, but back then, on 2009, he has publicly stated something completely different on Hyperion's site.

He committed suicide with that...
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By releasing OS3 updates, Ben has stirred the pot and risk losing everything. Great decision!

... and he completed the work digging his own grave with his own hands when the first OS 3.1.4 ROMs with the exclusive copyright were released.

I don't see any escape for him, if the judge will take under consideration those two facts.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @vox Its possible the community has underestimate problem with L1 cache synchronization, in SMP operation, with prebuilt code, can have problems if not updated, handle cache synchronization. I’m afraid that a lot of code will need to be rebuilt, and that 680x0 support might need to drop. To move Forword with SMP. Any public data, without a locking mechanism, will likely have a L1 cache coherency problem. Considering AmigaOS share library model, and its public structures, there are a lot of cans of worms waiting to be opened.

That's the reason why in almost 1.5 decades there's still no "multicore" (back in the past Mr. Solie explicitly talked about SMP. Then this term disappeared, because it's clearly not feasible at all) OS4 released.

They insist beating the corpse, knowing the the Amiga OS was NOT tailed for multicore systems, instead of working on a newer & modern OS.

Anyway, they are walking dead, so... who cares.

@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: @vox not possible on Amiga because Amiga Inc has not rights to important parts of software like mui and reaction.

Both were not part of the OS, so... who cares.
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so it has to be as it was mixed 68k and ppc code.

See above: not needed.

Your big ignorance is on par with your trolling attitude.

@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: and thats why trolls like szulc, szonwejs, v8, mathay, cesare di mario, karlos, hammer etc should hard work on aros on mui instead of trolling

PARROT MODE ON. Then:

I reveal you another secret: YOU are the only one here which put it as The goal to have.

I reveal you also another secret: AROS is open source, so anyone can get the source and contribute.

Now, I reveal you elementary logic: since YOU are the only one interested on the above, then YOU can pick AROS' sources and add what YOU like.


Besides that, I've to decline, because I



am already busy:





Would you like to join me and help me bury the PowerPCs?


BTW, are you mentally insane? You continue to wrongly write the names of many people. Or it was "simply" (!) the nature which was a very bad step mother with you?

@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @ppcamiga1 you are the biggest troll of all for sure again what are your contributions? and why do you always talk about MUI? Nobody is interested in it. It is used just for some old applications. More interesting would be a port of a amiga desktop like scalos and adapted themes so linux apps look and behave like amiga apps. I do not care about mui at all. But there I have to wait for deadwood

Again, another one: you take it too seriously!

V8 has already shown how to deal with the hamster:


@V8

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V8 wrote: @ppcamiga1 Come on. Don't call me a troll, that is mean. I am on your side. Os4 belongs on PPC and should never switch to an inferior PC isa like x86, arm, risc-v ... It should stay on PPC where it belongs forever. This is what you say, I just wanted to show my support and that I agree with you.

@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: to attract people outside current amiga community amiga solutuions on pc have to be decent amiga solutuions on pc have to be unix based aros x86 should be canceled aros arm should be canceled emu68 should be canceled zune should be made mui compatible then everyting below amiga gui and graphics should be cut off and amiga gui and graphics should be ported to unix

PARROT MODE ON. Then:

I reveal you another secret: YOU are the only one here which put it as The goal to have.

I reveal you also another secret: AROS is open source, so anyone can get the source and contribute.

Now, I reveal you elementary logic: since YOU are the only one interested on the above, then YOU can pick AROS' sources and add what YOU like.

@cdimauro

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It's the same, but you were stuck a bit more ahead of the dead (in every sense) line.

If you say so...

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Now, being clarified the context, my answer was "just" giving the simplest and most effective solution to the compatibility problem.

And shows your deep misunderstanding of the purpose of "NG" solutions: to make 68k compatibility as seamless as possible. Using my favourite (68k) picture viewer with native (OS4) render library and datatypes is of course a great user experience. This is something your solution sorely lacks.

@ppcamiga1

yes stop trolling... stop trolling

do something

@ppcamiga1

stop trolling and explain why mui is so important. I asked that a couple of times and never got a answer

@vox

yes and no

Deadwood was working on it and announced plans to make it fully working but as always in amiga world "when it is done"

For me port of a amiga desktop and a amiga-like themeing of apps would be starting point

@cdimauro

I’m just an outsider looking in, I do not have full details.

but random crashes as explained was issue on a number of AmiWest shows over the years, can easily be contributed to L1 cache.

They should have, could have done something about it much earlier on, then it be less of problem now. For example, AmigaOS is full of macros, perhaps some of this should have been considered obsolete.

AmigaOS4 being a too much of blue copy of AmigaOS3.x inherited its weaknesses.

But If that’s the case, then anyone arguing about going back 68K is a fool, considering you lose all compatibility, if SMP was introduced to 68K as well.

The only way forward, is getting everyone to use a smp friendly API’s, that be really problematic for larger library of compiled Aminet software.

No matter if the CPU is 680x0 or PowerPC.

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