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Hammer 
Re: what is wrong with 68k
Posted on 15-Mar-2025 7:19:55
#461 ]
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Posts: 6374
From: Australia

@cdimauro

Quote:

cdimauro wrote:

Well, that's one of the rare things where I fully agree, since I'm anti-fascist/nazi, and anti-imperialist as well.

I grew-up with the young communists in Italy, and for more than 10 years I was very actively involved in the politic of my smalltown -> province/county -> region/state -> nation.

So, being an anti-fascist is on my DNA.

Communists will attempt to distance themselves from fascists when both ideologies are big government interventionist.

Fascism is a big government interventionist. https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko?t=1266


Benito Mussolini emerged from Italian socialism in 1915 in order to become a more faithful interpreter (of the will of) the people of Italy, to whom he, already editor of the socialist paper, Avanti!, wished to devote his new journal, ll popolo d'italia
- Giovanni Gentile

Mussolini's fascists don't match a corporate dictatorship like the British East India Company, which has the firepower to rule over entire countries.

On the same token, fascism opposed socialism due to perceived frequent opposition to nationalism, but Russian Communists created their empire i.e. the USSR on the backs of the imperialist Russian Empire. Regardless of socio-economic system, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation remained Moscow-centric, the Russian bear remained the same.

My Mussolini label on you is my return serve that you started.

Bhabbott has his view and I addressed Bhabbott's viewpoints without starting personality flamewars.

Last edited by Hammer on 15-Mar-2025 at 07:26 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 15-Mar-2025 at 07:22 AM.

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fricopal! 
Re: what is wrong with 68k
Posted on 15-Mar-2025 7:46:42
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Joined: 12-Mar-2025
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@Hammer

politics?

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Hammer 
Re: what is wrong with 68k
Posted on 15-Mar-2025 7:57:43
#463 ]
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Posts: 6374
From: Australia

@agami

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The point towards which I was driving, and the one your figures support, is that the absence of more A1200s is not a key dynamic for A500 Amigans buying either a SNES or Gaming PC during the '92 Xmas shopping season.

Games are about delivering certain interactive experiences.

On the other side of the spectrum, there are business and education desktop computers. Work-related PC purchases have certain income tax reduction measures.

For the 1992 year, Mac LC II was Apple's best selling model from its 2.5 million unit sale. Mac LC II has the "killer apps" to cover education and business markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_LC_II
The LC II was Apple's highest-selling Macintosh product in 1992


Quote:

- People with a budget of $500 AUD or less were never going to buy an A1200 or A1200HD, and
- People who were seeking the added benefit of PC industry compatibility were already leaning toward a 386/486 PC. It didn't matter that an A1200HD was $200 - $500 cheaper. These people obviously didn't care about their existing A500 games, or multitasking multimedia.

The A1200 (sans HD) was not cheap enough, and the value proposition for the A1200HD was relevant to a very narrow segment of the market. Even if they could manufacture more of them, any increased sales during the '92 Xmas shopping season would likely have been minimal.
Not enough for C= to escape the pull of debt gravity.

In Australia, A1200 was missing in action during Xmas Q4 1992.

My family's budget for a desktop computer in 1989 was about AU$1500, hence the A500 Rev6A starter pack and 1084S monitor were purchased. The budget remains similar in 1992.

https://archive.org/details/tacaar6-12/page/46/mode/2up
From Australian Commodore and Amiga Review, December 1989 with Computer Spot store
Amiga 500 Starter Kit = AU$889
Philips Colour Monitor = AU$399
Amiga 500 512KB addon card = AU$299

When 386DX-33 PC clone came into the AU$1500 range around Xmas Q4 1992, it was purchased. This is for July 1992 to June 1993 financial year.

A500 was traded for ex-corporate A3000 in early 1992 for the July 1991 to June 1992 financial year.

AU$1500 is roughly equivalent to 750 UKP or US$1000.

Last edited by Hammer on 15-Mar-2025 at 07:58 AM.

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cdimauro 
Re: what is wrong with 68k
Posted on 16-Mar-2025 8:04:10
#464 ]
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Joined: 29-Oct-2012
Posts: 4349
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@Hammer

Quote:

Hammer wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:

cdimauro wrote:

Well, that's one of the rare things where I fully agree, since I'm anti-fascist/nazi, and anti-imperialist as well.

I grew-up with the young communists in Italy, and for more than 10 years I was very actively involved in the politic of my smalltown -> province/county -> region/state -> nation.

So, being an anti-fascist is on my DNA.

Communists will attempt to distance themselves from fascists when both ideologies are big government interventionist.

Fascism is a big government interventionist. https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko?t=1266


Benito Mussolini emerged from Italian socialism in 1915 in order to become a more faithful interpreter (of the will of) the people of Italy, to whom he, already editor of the socialist paper, Avanti!, wished to devote his new journal, ll popolo d'italia
- Giovanni Gentile

Mussolini's fascists don't match a corporate dictatorship like the British East India Company, which has the firepower to rule over entire countries.

On the same token, fascism opposed socialism due to perceived frequent opposition to nationalism, but Russian Communists created their empire i.e. the USSR on the backs of the imperialist Russian Empire. Regardless of socio-economic system, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation remained Moscow-centric, the Russian bear remained the same.

And?
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My Mussolini label on you is my return serve that you started.

Oh, really? I never got it before, eh! Many thanks for having it clarified: it was impossible for me because my IQ was too low to understand such complicated stuff.

(let's see if bots can understand sarcasms)

Anyway, further proof that bots aren't smart, but I see also childish behaviour. Poor bots:


Quote:
Bhabbott has his view and I addressed Bhabbott's viewpoints without starting personality flamewars.

Ehy, are YOU talking about that? Really?

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fricopal! 
Re: what is wrong with 68k
Posted on 20-Mar-2025 2:48:41
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Joined: 12-Mar-2025
Posts: 799
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Quote:
by fricopal! on 15-Mar-2025 7:46:42

@Hammer

politics?


What political issue are you referring to, Hammer? Please provide more context.

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