just send a mail with you mail, address and order details to order@amigbg.com and well look up your reservation/ticket id.

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@amigarulez: It's been taken care of...

This will be a very nice fair - with true AMIGA® spirit!

Cheers,
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@SlimJim: Oh yes, Sir... we do want to dance with the big elephants... like every year.

Everything that is official regarding the fair will be published on the fair's website www.amigbg.com, so stay tuned - and welcome to Gothenburg in April!

Cheers,
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Hi Sharakmir

> Everything that is official regarding the fair... [snip]

Is that statement official ? :)

Btw, to AmigaWorld Gunne.


/shoe

Hi shoe

Thank You, Im feeling very honored.

However, Im not a very new member. But I cant be everywhere on all forums writing a lot of unnecessary things...

Now take a look at this thread at ann.lu; Link.

Seems you got some attention, and many seems also to have a lot of questions for you

All the best !
Gunne

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Poster: gunne Date: 29-Jan-2004 20:00:25 Hi shoe Thank You, Im feeling very honored. However, Im not a very new member. But I cant be everywhere on all forums writing a lot of unnecessary things... Now take a look at this thread at ann.lu; Link. Seems you got some attention, and many seems also to have a lot of questions for you All the best ! Gunne

I was referring to your "5 posts" count.. That to me is a new member I know indeed that you have been around for a while.
Thanks for the link. But to be honest I really don't care much for ann.lu anymore. I haven't read a serious line on that page for ages.. Haven't looked at it for well over a year.
Why break a trend that obviously is working very very well.

No offence intended to the crew of ann.lu or their visitors in any way..
(p.s. I recomend any unanswered questions to be directed to this forum, or info@amigbg.com)


/shoe

Hi again shoe

Ok, no problem.

Well, I just wanted to point you to the link, because I thought you might be interrested in what people writes about what you intend to do or organize. But of course its up to yourself if you want to read or not.

I did a post myself in the thread, because I saw I and my company was mentioned, and it was also here on amigaworld.

Now I wont discuss more on this matter.

Take care !
Gunne

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Poster: gunne Date: 27-Jan-2004 23:14:11 Hi shoe > But I know that GGS-Data is one of the exhibitors,..... Well, this year GGS-Data will only have PC's running Microsoft® Windows® ... on display... and _if_ we have an AmigaOne or a Pegasos also, those will only run Bochs with Microsoft® Windows® XP® Professional® Media® Center® on top of that Anyway, seems very nice what you do with everything, keep it up and all the best. Greetings ! Gunne

Hi Gunne,

I couldn't resist to comment on that post..

This in an event dedicated to the Amiga(tm) platform. And we expect all exhibitors to keep this in mind. And personally I expect all exhibitors to keep a professional attitude in this regard. Espesially a reseller of the new AmigaONE hardware.


Sincerely,
/shoe

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What, you'll have mil-spec Amiga 2500's there as well? Cool!

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I'll probably be going with nbache and some other guys - if the other guys don't mind going up there on the friday

I have ordered (and paid) my ticket now, so I'll be making it up there somehow

Looking forward to being part of that great event

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Poster: Juzz Date: 30-Jan-2004 1:22:06 I have ordered (and paid) my ticket now, so I'll be making it up there somehow Looking forward to being part of that great event

And we are looking forward to meeting you all again! (We really should do this more often

/shoe

Hi shoe

Especially...

childish behaviour or professional behaviour... or is it about a business ?

Well, I must admit it was a bad attempt to some kind of joke. Thats why I wrote so many ® as well.

Now for the rest. Its many things going on etc, and discussions can sometimes be kind of hard in some forums based upon peoples different opinions... and I have fully respect for you, however I feel I want to express a couple of things here.

First I would like to say I feel its quite bad of a organizer to first point to exhibitors when it looks like for the organizer a little bit difficult question to answer brings up, when in the next phrase jumping on or bitching down on the exhibitor with some kind of forefinger about what the exhibitors should keep in mind...

I saw also for instance some anynomuos posters on ann, that pointed to GGS-Data. Well they who do post anonymous on ann know by themself who they are and also what they write, and for them who are curiuos its just to load up ann and read.

Perhaps some people also will ask the question, or get the feelings that the show only is some kind of clubmeeting for certain people, and where they who dont belongs to the club not is welcome.

Next...

As for an event dedicated to the Amiga(tm) platform etc..., perhaps it might be good to also inform other exhibitors about this conditions in the same way ? Perhaps most of them do not read what you write here in this forum. Perhaps it might be that The swedish Atari club want to reconsider their participation when they hear those conditions.

Or IBM for instance, if the guy coming from IBM is coming as an official representant for IBM, I might believe he do this upon IBM(tm). As I for myself also participate as for GGS-Data(tm). The same also perhaps for the rest of the exhibitors who participate and also pay for it.

Now on to what you also seems to try to indicate as for how I read what you write... lack of profession from GGS-Data, or from any exhibitor perhaps ?

Im nothing more then just a reseller, and in my first door stands always - the costumer - and the product I sell.

My own feelings (hey speakinmg about myself) for this is that many of my costumers do trust what I say and also what I do as a reseller. Thats nothing you gain for free, its only hard work that is. Of course all can not be satisfied, and things can always go wrong, and I as a normal human being sometimes do things wrong. And no problem to amit that.

As for the product AmigaOne I feel I have been very careful in what I have done, and for instance very clearly have informed my costumers under what conditions the product have been sold so far and still. I feel I have given very clear information to costumers about what kind of problem that they might occur. I feel also GGS-Data have a quite informative homepage about the product, and also have given quite good support to many, by email or in other ways. I have also for instance given many costumers a Linux-game for free (when having on stock), upon cost of GGS-Data, together with the board. I have also let many (not everybody) getting a rewritable bootchip for free, also upon cost of GGS-Data, when chip delivered together with the board from the supplier have been write-protected. I did also give some people discount on the purchase of the board, because we had some kind of agreement that they should support the product in different ways, no need to go into details.

And I do have plans in mind also forward. However advertising for instance need to be based upon estimated sales of the product. The smallest announcement in a regular computermagazine go for about Euro 1000,- and this have to be based upon estimated sales. And its also needed to have the product, and that it also is a good product. Its very ipmortant to be careful, or you can easely hurt the product instead and then perhaps also hurt forward sales of it.

I was for instance reading the article that was published on idg a couple of days ago, and Im not so sure this was so very good. It was only seven people that write comments, and they where sceptical, except then the person who did wrote the articel. I became also contacted by a person from idg that morning, and its very difficult to explain some things in a good way.

I have no doubt about that the intention from the person who did submitted the article to idg is good and well meant, but the time is maybe not the best for such a thing.

Now for the AmiGBG show. I have no problem to for instance put up a couple of AmigaOnes with OS 4 installed which visitors just can use and play around with. I do think this can be a good idea. However if for instance Hyperion dont think this is a good idea to do, this is their decision. I dont develop the software, Im just a reseller. And I can put a couple of Pegasos on display as well. And both for the AmigaOne and for the Pegasos this of course is based upon the fact if I have boards or if I can get boards from my suppliers.

So I believe I can contribute to the show both for the AmigaOne and for the Pegasos, however I cant give any promises until I know for sure. And I also have to consider about costs, as for now I see there only seems to be 36 visitors so far.

Was very much text this, and sorry if any mispelling or if anyone feel upset.

Regards
Gunne

@ gunne

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First I would like to say I feel its quite bad of a organizer to first point to exhibitors when it looks like for the organizer a little bit difficult question to answer brings up, when in the next phrase jumping on or bitching down on the exhibitor with some kind of forefinger about what the exhibitors should keep in mind...

IMO shoe only tried to be helpful by mentioning to someone who seemed interested to know, that a known Pegasos dealer is going to attend the show and so he believed you would bring one with you like you have done so at past events.

However it's perfectly clear from the start that Amigas are going to be the highlight of this event. Pretending anything else would be misleading the public. The same goes for AmigaWorld.net for instance.

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Perhaps some people also will ask the question, or get the feelings that the show only is some kind of clubmeeting for certain people, and where they who dont belongs to the club not is welcome.

Like clearly stated at the website this is an Amiga show. Of course everyone who doesn't have a problem with this fact is probably welcome, but why should people go there if they want to get your hands on the latest Windows software? There are enough PC shows already and this is clearly not the aim of this event.

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As for the product AmigaOne I feel I have been very careful in what I have done, and for instance very clearly have informed my costumers under what conditions the product have been sold so far and still.

IMO that's a good approach for selling any platform. Both AmigaOne and Pegasos systems have clear limitations at this point and some minor flaws which need to be brought to the attention of your customers. I don't think anyone suggested otherwise?

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was only seven people that write comments

Forum comments are one of the worst statistics to base your business on. The MOS camp for instance sometimes almost seems as vocal as the entire Apple user community! Are there anywhere near as many Pegs solds as Apple macs?

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And I also have to consider about costs, as for now I see there only seems to be 36 visitors so far.

Based on? Counted forum postings?

LOL, it's probably gonna be a few more.

Hi Gunne, it was indeed a long comment from you, just commenting small parts from your text here..

"Perhaps some people also will ask the question, or get the feelings that the show only is some kind of clubmeeting for certain people, and where they who dont belongs to the club not is welcome."

Well, is that your definition of an Amiga show? That if it's concentrated on the Amiga® (Amiga/AmigaOne/OS4) platform - then it is a clubmeeting for the choosen few? Is it like; that if you organize an Amiga event today - you have to consider every other platform there is? E.g. have the Pegasos/MorphOS present in every corner of the venue? I think not.

So - everyone today who are dedicated to the future of the Amiga (e.g. AmigaOne/OS4) - are we fanatics/a special club? I think not.

"So I believe I can contribute to the show both for the AmigaOne and for the Pegasos, however I cant give any promises until I know for sure. And I also have to consider about costs, as for now I see there only seems to be 36 visitors so far."

Well, Gunne... after this weekend (31st of Jan/1st of Feb) we're still in early February, everything looks great - the very tiny country of Sweden might host the biggest Amiga® event in a long while. Why don't be more encouraging and more happy about the situation? We who organize this event all know that it's looking better than it has ever done before any AmiGBG show. I handle the ticket ordering system... and it looks GREAT! Is it really trustworthy to see our poll on the homepage as a measurement for the number of visitors at AmiGBG 2004? I think not.

Speculations are nothing for me. Personally, I prefer the truth.

It's really no secret that we (the organizers) want this show to be concentrated on the Amiga/AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 if possible. We are AmigaOS users, we organize this show in our _spare time_. So.... I do think we might have the right to choose the direction that we want.

Cheers,
/ Sharakmir (Kjell / AmiGBG) - Amiga user since 1989.

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Hi MikeB

Here is my reply. This is also taking up some time, also to consider what to write, so will be the last one for now.

> IMO shoe only tried to be helpful by mentioning to someone who seemed interested to know, that a known Pegasos dealer is going to attend the show and so he believed you would bring one with you like you have done so at past events.

Yes, I understand that. And I am also very grateful for that my company name was mentioned.

I will not take back what I did point on, instead now going for this one also...

Those people, shoe, reflect, Sharakmir, amigarulez, Vigil... etc (here also including them I forgot to mention) are really great.

They have put very much fate into this with organizing for this show, and they have for instance looked for a good
location to be in, they have put money from their own pocket into it, and they have put a marvellous work into creating
the website and which also is the face out considering the show.

All honour for those people, and something to really respect them for.

I for myself have done nothing so far, considering this planned show.

I here then also would like to paste in a bit from what I also wrote on ann.

As for organizing a show for presentation of either AmigaOne or Pegasos or both, the reality says that no reseller cant do this with paid people. You could ask Ron for instance who did put a lot of work into organizing the Benelux-show. Neither Amiga, Eyetech, Hyperion or Genesi or IOSpirit or anyone else can do this either - paying a staff for organizing a professional showcase, the income from the products is not enough yet.

Now for next...

> However it's perfectly clear from the start that Amigas are going to be the highlight of this event.

I have not comment anything, or expressed any personal opinions about highlight of the show, and will not do either. Neither about amigaworld.net.

Next I jump over, and will reply to Sharakmir instead.

> IMO that's a good approach for selling any platform. Both AmigaOne and Pegasos systems have clear limitations at this point and some minor flaws which need to be brought to the attention of your customers. I don't think anyone suggested otherwise?

Of course this is also valid for the Pegasos, however here I was talking around the AmigaOne. And there is also differences between the AmigaOne and the Pegasos...

Next one

> Forum comments are one of the worst statistics to base your business on.

Well, I had no attempt to base my business on forum comments. I was looking for something to add to that I was trying to bring forward here.

And about this I wrote that I not was sure it was so good. However thats not something I know the exactly answer on, only whats comes to my mind.
I am more careful in what Im doing around the AmigaOne and also around AmigaOS 4, for instance is the product not out yet.

Sometimes I got the impression that some people are trying to rush to fast with things. The people who creates AmigaOS 4 need to do their job, and when they feel
its time to get things out, they are welcome.

> Based on? Counted forum postings?

The same as above, it always comes down to costs, also for the organizers as for everybody. I also see that for instance 100+ have submitted they probably will attend.

To much text, and taking up to much time.

Have a good time !

Btw, are you considering visiting, Mike !

Gunne

Hi Sharakmir.

And thank you for your reply. Here is my answer

> Well, is that your definition of an Amiga show?

I have the feelings we know each other quite well, or

But for trying here from my side to express myself little clearer, Ill try this one instead.

Its not my definition I express here. It is an attempt from me to bring forward to you what influence perhaps surfers who browsing around different websites in the amiga community might get - out from the presentation on the website - together with other influences there also is around.

That doesnt mean - that Im trying to say the presentation on AmiGBG website is bad or something - it is very well done - and I can imagine a lot of work behind tro get everything together - and a lot of emotions behind and everything. So I would like to say, please feel prowd !

Following with...

> That if it's concentrated on the Amiga® (Amiga/AmigaOne/OS4) platform - then it is a clubmeeting for the choosen few? Is it like; that if you organize an Amiga event today - you have to consider every other platform there is? E.g. have the Pegasos/MorphOS present in every corner of the venue? I think not.

Im not talking about Amiga® - or every other solution - or just Pegasos/MorphOS.

Im talking about people - in the Amiga & MorphOS community.

I would like to paste in what I wrote on ann...

However, to you all. If people can't cooperate or stand under the same the roof because one did choose to stick with the Pegasos and another one to stick with the AmigaOne, I would just like to say sorry...

Thats what Im trying to bring forward...

Maybe what you express here in your post is that - people who did choose to stick with the AmigaOne cant think about standing under the same roof as another guy that did choose stick with the Pegasos - or the other way around also.

Maybe thoose two person dislike each other so much, just because the fact they did choose to stick with two different solutions...

Maybe its time for doing a completely split between those peoples and 'two' ? communities because of this. I dont know, and I cant decide this or do anything about it.

Next one...

> So - everyone today who are dedicated to the future of the Amiga (e.g. AmigaOne/OS4) - are we fanatics/a special club? I think not.

I believe in peoples own decisions, and that they know what they stand for - I believe in that people are safe in their choices and know what they do or not do.

MorphOS is not about fighting against Amiga.

AmigaOS 4 is not about fighting against MorphOS.

It is about computer solutions and creating solutions.

> Well, Gunne... after this weekend (31st of Jan/1st of Feb) .... [snip]

It might be a misunderstanding, or I did write very bad.

I was not trying to sounded negative about the show. I was talking about costs, and work etc things..., and Im not trying to do any speculation or something.

And I was trying to say that I believe (and also hope) that I can contribute to the show, however I cant give any exactly promises right now about this.

What I can promise is that if I can contribute in some way, I would like to try do my best in doing this.

And now the last one.

> It's really no secret that we (the organizers) want this show to be concentrated on the Amiga/AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 if possible. We are AmigaOS users, we organize this show in our _spare time_. So.... I do think we might have the right to choose the direction that we want.

I have nothing against your choice, and your directions, its your choice and of course you can do exactly as you like.

All the best !
Gunne