*sigh

Now you guys are calling me names? I have been nice to you and praise your work as coders (even to mos team) Now its "your kind" and your a "####".

Talk about advertising in posts - what about Ben Hermans? "its just around the corner" (os4) "soon to be released" etc etc MONTHS AGO

You know, I spoke with Thomas F. on an internet call at an Amiga show a couple years back. you guys seemed very nice. I like Ben too. Now, it seems you are very sour. I see this too in MOS camp. Its getting all of us nowhere.

*sigh - if all the brains in this community worked together maybe we could really change things in the computer market. But when people are childish/selfish and egotistical, everyone suffers.

The State of OS4 - The beta i tried was just installed and maybe wasnt configured right or something but it was very unimpressive. I have video to prove it! (which i havent posted online as a matter of taste)

- The best part was when one of the guys came to my studio and tried the Peg2 and MOS and said "Now this feels like an Amiga"

I DO KNOW how long it will be for OS4. YOU know its not going to be easy getting past the present hurdles. Not that you cant do it - of course you can - its the TIME INVOLVED.

How about a BET? I will bet you that OS4 wont be out commercially in less than 4 months maybe more. You name the bet. This is fair and fun.

Or, you could just say the reality, since you both know how long it takes to code/debug and its not weeks its months...

This is the Facts.

realize

oh and FYI Amiga INC shot themselves in the foot, as usual.
but we know they obviously arent the brightest stars in the Galaxy

Feel pretty indifferent on reading this news, as long as Amiga OS development continues (which seems to be the case) then it makes no difference to me who owns the IP.

First off what the hell are you talking about?

Its about the COMMUNITY not recruiting. I'm trying to end this bs. Its like Israel vs Palestine or something. It sux and we are always a joke of the real computer industry for this. I mean ppl go to ann to read the flamewars and make fun of us.

How did I attack you? You must have made incorrect statements or something so.


Sick of MOS? What are you crazy? Its the best thing to happen since I've been using Amigas. Its my main OS. And I run OSX and Linux on my LAN. I cant get enough of it. Every week new ports come out and the OS is rock solid (since we got off the Peg1 /Articia) with 1.5 coming out soon it will be really amazing.

realize

Anyone wondered what KMOS stands for?

Kill
Morph
Operating
System

Sorry... couldn't resist

@ ShadesOfGrey

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AG2, it seems, is just pie in the sky

Please note that KMOS bought everything to do with the AmigaOS including all the work that Amiga Inc has done on AG2 and the future of the AmigaOS. And it is not unreasonable to think that KMOS may have set up some contractual arrangements with Amiga Inc so that the employees who worked on it would work on a handover or even carry on developing that stuff for KMOS. This info is from a reliable source.

@ realize

Please drop it already. This thread is not about what you think about AmigaOS4 or who you consider to be "brightest stars in the Galaxy". We all know you are a vivid Peg advocate and dealer, but this thread isn't about that neither.

@Mike B

Its about the Truth and Facts. Right and wrong. Not FUD, not rumour, not fanclub, not girlscout camp. Lets be honest for a change.

realize

The facts

1. Amiga1 is a developer board and has quirks (aka bugs)

2. OS4 is in beta and at least 4months from Commercial release

Why do I point this out? Trolling? NO

I want the Amiga community to stop being misled. Simple as that. The poor sould who throw down $1000+ US for an A1 setup should know the facts before they do so.

@ realize

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The facts

Realize, now it's time for you to stop. You aren't in the position to tell anyone what the facts are and what are not. These are only your personal opinions and please word your postings accordingly.

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1. Amiga1 is a developer board and has quirks (aka bugs)

If you mean to say that the current A1's are also boards used by developers, I agree. But you are not in the position to tell anyone that they can't use the current A1 boards for personal use already in combination with Linux or UAE.

With regard to bugs, the Peg1 and Peg2 have bugs too, as well as most PC boards. But the general release version of the next generation Amiga platform isn't finished yet and most issues can be solved through software adjustments.

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2. OS4 is in beta and at least 4months from Commercial release

Although OS4 is in beta you are not in the position to determine when its commercial release would be.

MikeB

Well, thanks for not ERASING my posts like is being done here sometimes. That needs to STOP.

If you have a forum of individuals and there is no discourse only people "yes ing" each other to death and posts getting deleted with someone with contrary opinion its not a democratic system its called Fasicism.. and it sux.

Last I looked its called Amigaworld.net NOT AmigaOneHyperionAmigainc.net yet, the agenda of the site has turned into that. Promotion of Amiga one/os4. Which is great, because this is the market. However, lets be accurate and truthful. As an AMIGAN I refuse to be misled and dont want others to be either.


And I am in a position to say the things I said since I've been an Amiga dealer for over 10years and know alot about the market. I also know key developers on both sides and have alot of information general public does not.


I will BET you whatever you care to bet that OS4 commercial release wont be out for at least 4 months. Not only that but this "early pre release" version is only going out to select few. The other amigans with A1 will have to keep running Linux or put the box back in the closet. ( Like a few of my Amiga customers have done while waiting for OS4 - they dont want to run linux)

realize

Oh, and 4 months from now I WILL reference this conversation and YOU WILL tell me I was right :)

@realize

"Well, thanks for not ERASING my posts like is being done here sometimes. That needs to STOP.

If you have a forum of individuals and there is no discourse only people "yes ing" each other to death and posts getting deleted with someone with contrary opinion its not a democratic system its called Fasicism.. and it sux."

What has this to do with anything??? you are picking fights after fights for what? if you don't like the policy here then scram...

"As an AMIGAN I refuse to be misled and dont want others to be either."

Thers no one geting mislead here, this is BS (why don't you write a fiction book instead or something)

"And I am in a position to say the things I said since I've been an Amiga dealer for over 10years and know alot about the market. I also know key developers on both sides and have alot of information general public does not."

Just because your a "dealer" doesn't give you ther right to behave like you do.

"I will BET you whatever you care to bet that OS4 commercial release wont be out for at least 4 months. Not only that but this "early pre release" version is only going out to select few. The other amigans with A1 will have to keep running Linux or put the box back in the closet. ( Like a few of my Amiga customers have done while waiting for OS4 - they dont want to run linux)"

he thers no one saying that it will be out in 4 month either is there!? and the pre-release WILL BE OUT TO EVERY EARLY-BID OWNER....

oh btw i'm typing this on my A1 with OS4 and it has been runing since i came home (6+ h) and i havn't had a crash and it's my main computer at home.

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No, I am deleting this comment again. Think what you want, Magnetic, you'll do it anyway.
I'm looking forward to the weeks to come.
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I'm sorry to break this good off-topic thing we've got going here, but I just felt like commenting on the news item..


So, the boing ball's in their court now?

Hmm, this is good news, no?

It sure feels that way...

But what will this mean for the community, and AmigaWorld in particular? Will this site from now on be known as kmosincfanboyworldnet? And what about the classy labelling of us AmigaOS supporters as "Name followers." AmigaInc doesn't sound all that interesting to me any more, from this point on I'll be following the future of KMOS with a lot greater interest. Do I still qualify as a "name follower," but with a different name to follow?


Anyhows, I'll join the choir on this one, and bid (back?) to Garry Hare and KMOS.

And best of luck to Amiga Inc. with their future pursuits!

I hope everything works out for the best, for all parties involved. The community included.


And I must add, that since I read this news item earlier today when I arrived at work, I still haven't been able to wipe the silly smirk off my face.


@DaveP
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Im coming up so you better get the party (on) started!

Or rather, following the same line - can't we work it out? Can't we be a family?


@Hyperionmp
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Probably around the time that hell freezes over.

I'll get me skates then, just in case...

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Lets be honest for a change.

Good idea. You first.

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I want the Amiga community to stop being misled

Well, that's quite easy. Stop posting, and people will not be mislead by your FUD anymore...

But I guess that's asking too much from you?

Again, you have managed to turn this thread into a mudwrestling. I guess that was the aim, was it?

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When I have the pre-release version on my A1, it will make waiting for "when it's done" sooooooo much easier! I would be fiddling with the preference settings for a couple of months at least! I could start buying applications that will run on OS4. It will be good.

DoodooHead

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I think its very strange that a computer/software company has no official website nowadays. We are living in the 21st century, every company should have a website now. Dont they fear loosing customers?

@Rouge

uhm you sure you will enjoy the coming weeks?

I wonder if you get the same enjoyment out of Arsenal playing against Chelsea in the CL, or did you mean something else

@ realize

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If you have a forum of individuals and there is no discourse only people "yes ing" each other to death and posts getting deleted with someone with contrary opinion its not a democratic system its called Fasicism.. and it sux.

All I asked from you is to change your style of posting (e.g. what I say is fact, and if you don't agree you are stupid kind of postings) and to stay on topic with regard to this news item.

Now with comparisons to "Fascism" you are again trying to drag this thread into a pointless off topic flamefest. The internet is pretty democratic as you can visit (or not) any website you like. But to make use of our services you have to obey to our rules, just like you may expect people to do so when they visit your home or country.

We try to keep AmigaWorld as interesting, constructive and fun place for as many Amiga platform supporters as possible, IMO your kind of behaviour is undermining this effort. You will be given a cooling down period, you can complain to and discuss privately with DaveyD with regard to this and hopefully you will return and finally understand our posting guidelines.

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I just love your avatar ... what is it?

It's a photo of a store manikin. I guess this is a sign of how warped I've gotten , but when I saw that manikin the first thought that struck me was, wow, that'd be a great avatar. I usually carry around a little digital camera, so I took a few pictures.

There's also a red (well, pink) one. See bigger photos at
my web site if you like.

-- gary_c

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Please note that KMOS bought everything to do with the AmigaOS including all the work that Amiga Inc has done on AG2 and the future of the AmigaOS. And it is not unreasonable to think that KMOS may have set up some contractual arrangements with Amiga Inc so that the employees who worked on it would work on a handover or even carry on developing that stuff for KMOS. This info is from a reliable source.

Given what Fleecy said in the "Ask Fleecy" segments, I understood AG2 to be DE related/based. In order for AmigaOS to benefit, DE would have to be integrated into AmigaOS. If that's not the case, then I'm even more confused than before. Especially since I find it hard to believe that Amiga Inc. were operating in good faith to ressurect the AmigaOS. After all, they sold it a year ago and have been deceiving the Community for just as long. Amiga Inc. never had any interest in the 'Clas(sic)' Amiga. They were just hoping the name would open doors and get their repackaged intent some recognition. That was their original plan wasn't it? The difference now is Amiga Inc. realize intent isn't a good base for a desktop OS and they are going to persue markets intent was originally targeted at in the first place!

Come to think of it, how do we know that AG2 even exists? I don't know what you call a reliable source, but it isn't anyone at Amiga Inc. As far as I'm concerned, Amiga Inc. is all smoke and mirrors... A confidence scam. I hope KMOS proves to be very unlike Amiga Inc. But given the circumstances under which this announcement was made, I'm inclined to believe that KMOS is just a hazy reflection of Amiga Inc.

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"As an AMIGAN I refuse to be misled and dont want others to be either." Thers no one geting mislead here, this is BS (why don't you write a fiction book instead or something)

Sorry Muffin, but I disagree. I feel, as an Amigan, very much misled. Unlike realize though, I was a red shade of grey until this last announcement... Less and less though with the way Amiga Inc. has mismanaged things (hell, if it weren't for Eytech & Hyperion, I wouldn't have stayed loyal this long!). Almost a full year has passed and we're only now hearing about this? The AmigaOS has been the property of a third party all this time? A third party who until the announcement has no history? A third party that probably only exists as a P.O. Box in Delaware?

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Almost a full year has passed and we're only now hearing about this? The AmigaOS has been the property of a third party all this time?

The sale might have been 11 months ago (the start of sale) but if it was only finalised recently, that would be the reason you haven't heard about it.

Legally, because of the sale, Amiga Inc. and other people in the know wouldn't have been allowed to say anything about it until completion.

So weirdly, until the completion of the sale, AmigaOS was property of Amiga Inc, and after the completion of the sale, AmigaOS became not-AmigaInc'sProperty since 11 months ago.

That is how I understand it anyway.