Yes, that's the crazy nature of "large" business transactions like that. Amiga Inc were most probably not allowed to discuss the issue at all (nor was KMOS) while the lawyers and accountants were finalizing the deal (these things do take months), so anyone who feels insulted by "the silence" will just have to deal with it. I bet that some of the more cryptic answers we've been hearing from Fleecy, Ray and Ben Hermans were because they didn't want to get too close for fear of spilling the beans and blowing the deal.

According to Garry Hare's court deposition, Itec LLC acquired AmigaOS in April, 2003. I believe the word "acquired" means just that -- gained possession of. It doesn't mean "began steps toward gaining possession." But there are a number of rather mysterious aspects to this deal, which I imagine we'll find out about in due time.

-- gary_c

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Umm i was talking about this site not Amiga.inc....

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Doesn't matter, cos we don't know who itec are. For all we know it could be a company set up by Bill McEwen to offload OS4 onto and seperate it from Amiga Inc. For all we know the same people may have been in control of OS4 until this acuisition by KMOS. Assuming you have been puposefully misled, is just a "glass is half empty" kinda viewpoint.

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Given what Fleecy said in the "Ask Fleecy" segments, I understood AG2 to be DE related/based. In order for AmigaOS to benefit, DE would have to be integrated into AmigaOS. Amiga Inc. realize intent isn't a good base for a desktop OS and they are going to persue markets intent was originally targeted at in the first place! Come to think of it, how do we know that AG2 even exists?

We know that AG2 is purely a figment of peoples' imagination. Its a concept. Its an informed view of what the future might hold. Actually, Fleecy's various AG2 comments seemed mainly to be a bit of marketing spin on the stuff coming unofficially out of Hyperion. For instance, the bros. have often commented that the entire graphics/video/print framework would need to be completely rebuilt in a future generation of AOS. OS4.0 is just a tidying up of the old framework with PPC underpinnings and OS4.2 would see the first of the AG2 implementations. I agree with you (ouch) that AInc. originally thought they could build an operating system using intent. They never lost the hope that AOS5 would be AG2 integrated with the intent+DE content machine. Perhaps they have, now, realised that DE is suited, as you say, to an entirely different market. About time too, in my view.

The CAM technical articles have been mainly from the developers doing the work. Fleecy has tried to add a bit of AG2 futureview to show the development path.

Reading all the announcements we are told that KMOS has been, and plans to continue working with the software and hardware developers, so we can hope that the important aspects of OS development will continue. I think that AInc have done what they needed to do to sustain the OS while at the same time observing their commercial confidentiality responsibilities to KMOS.

The question in my mind is 'what becomes of the new Classic OS website we were promised recently?'. Since the KMOS deal was sealed at the time the statement was made, I hope that any such website would pass to KMOS.

Oh, and where's my tee-shirt?

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I wonder if you get the same enjoyment out of Arsenal playing against Chelsea in the CL, or did you mean something else

Yeah, sure. My city is in the second league, and it seems at the moment that they will stay there. If that isn't good news for Trier, I dunno

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Now you guys are calling me names?

Which was propably uncalled for... I apologize.

However, I still stand by the rest I've said.Fact is you've been advertising MOS and Pegasos for ages now, and sorry, I find it hard to understand that somebody who openly opposes our work can at the same time "praise" it.

Did you praise us when you posted on Amiga.org (under the subject "I'm giving up on AmigaOS4") "OS4 will never catch up", or the numerous other threads where you advertise for the Pegasos ?

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Now, it seems you are very sour.

Hmm, let me see: I've been threatened by someone who wanted to kill me because of OS4. Plus, all the usual nonsense like "you will never finish it" or Neko's infamous "OS4 team lacks talent", I was called a moron for calling exec a "kernel", etc, etc.

Who, pray, would not turn sour.

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I DO KNOW how long it will be for OS4.

You KNOW absoultely nothing. You think you know, but that's something completely different.

Since you don't have a frigging clue about how long OS4 will take to finish, and you are such a truth-loving person, would you please refrain from making any predictions ? If you're not interested in OS4 (which you obviously are not), can you perhaps shut the frell up about it ? I never talked about MOS, as you might have noticed if you care about TRUTH and FACTS. This is a courtesy that was almost never returned by any in your "camp".

Ok, this was my last posting to this thread, so the moderators do not need to fear more from me. Just one closing remark: You said the war should end. Yes, I'm all for it. There might not be a chance for peace, only for a truce, but so be it. Don't want OS4: Don't get it. As simple as that. But don't go around spreading FUD about it. Thanks.

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All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Hyperion Entertainment

Congratulations to all the parties involved and firstly to the AmigaOS platform...

I, for one, look forward for some announcements from KMOS/Garry Hare to explain to us their plans for our beloved AmigaOS...

I hope this is really a good thing for us and from what I have read from Hyperion and someone other it will be.

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@royleith

I agree with you. I don't think AG2 exists as anything more than Fllecy's wishful thinking. I was just giving MikeB the benefit of the doubt in his comments.

As for KMOS, part of my... Well... Outrage is that if KMOS is such a "well funded outfit" (as DaveP and Hyperion staff have put it), they could have at least bodged together a web site in less than 11 months... Even if it were only to pop into existance the day the PR was issued. Give us something more than just:

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About KMOS, Inc. KMOS, Inc. a State of Delaware licensed corporation develops and distributes enabling technology, software applications and specialty content to the wired and wireless communication market.

But then, I'm not in the 'know' or an ultra-AI-fanboy-zealot so I guess my concerns aren't important or well founded...


Sorry, that last comment was directed at you royleith. As I've said before, I've reached my boiling point and I don't see my blood pressure lowering anytime soon on this topic.

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True, but regardless of what realize's 'personal beef' is with AW's managemnt, I feel that Amiga Inc. used Amigaworld.net to mislead the Community. And so felt compelled to point that out.

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@ ShadesOfGrey

I understand that the latest announcements may be very confusing to many. However alot more information should become available these upcoming weeks and I think it would be best to keep an open mind and not come to premature conclusions.

(Also although, as Fleecy often explained, many apects of AG2 have still been in planning, but there has been work done with regard to AG2 technology.)

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I understand that the latest announcements may be very confusing to many. However alot more information should become available these upcoming weeks and I think it would be best to keep an open mind and not come to premature conclusions. (Also although, as Fleecy often explained, many apects of AG2 have still been in planning, but there has been work done with regard to AG2 technology.)

Yes, well, we all know about the old line, "two more weeks". Come on! This whole sale business has been transpiring for 11 months! You mean to tell me that I now have to wait a few more weeks! What kind of nonsense is this! Why not lay it out all at once? Why string us along 'a few more weeks'?

I'm sorry but I don't think you do understand. I don't care if you, the Friedens, Alan Redhouse, or Ben Hermans are pleased about this change. It seems to me that what's left of the 'Amiga' is being handed from one inept and incompetent parent company to another. You may be privy to all kinds of secret info, but I'm not. So I can all draw conclusions from facts publicly available. I don't want to paint you with too 'red' a brush and label you a "red troll" or "name follower". But I think that those in the red camp (and the blue camp for that matter) have forgotten that there are quite a few of us who are not really in either camp. We've been patiently (~10 years) waiting for a clear, concise, and reasonably secure direction for the future. Just how many times can we be frustrated this way before we say enough is enough? Speaking for myself, Amiga Inc. and/or KMOS had better clear this situation up pretty soon. How soon? Two weeks from March 15, 2004

Come to think of it? Why announce this at all? If it was only because of the Thendic lawsuit, KMOS could have paid for the lawyers and won the case based on the wording of the licensing agreement alone. Why not keep it secret indefinitely? After all, what the 'Amiga' Community doesn't know can't hurt them, right?

As to AG2, everything that I've heard about it stems from DE. Given that no other information is forth coming. The sale of AmigaOS to KMOS indicates that Amiga Inc. have no further interest in the AmigaOS, whatsoever. Hence AG2, technologies (supposedly) developed by Amiga Inc., would be retained by Amiga Inc. for DE (it makes business sense, but then Mr. McEwen & Mr. Moss have been known for their lack of business savvy). Now it possible KMOS might license the DE like Thendic did, but that wasn't in the press release. Unless of course, this is another bit of ultra-confidential info that won't come out until, what, 22 months afterward?


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Before I submit this, I want to make it clear. My outrage is primarily targeted at Amiga Inc. Who I believe have used, abused, and deceived the Community as a whole. I'm also beginning to loose respect for those who defend Amiga Inc. (or maybe I should say defended and now defend KMOS?). More than anything because it seems that there is now an 133t class within the 'Amiga' Community akin to those in the PC and *nix world. It seems to me he 'Amiga' Community is loosing one if its most endearing qualities, its all inclusiveness.

That being said MikeB, I intended no personal offense in these comments toward you. For example, my opening paragraph might be a bit over the top with the exclamations, but in my opinion their not unfair. Any personal negativity is more or less spill over from my utter contempt for Amiga Inc.

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@Rogue @EntilZha @MagicSN @Hyperionmp

I think you guys are doing a great job and I am looking forward to AmigaOS4 with great anticipation ....


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It is clear that most of you don't understand yet what the acquisition by KMOS of Amiga Inc's AmigaOS assets means. To all AmigaOS 4 supporters this is very good news indeed when you consider a reliable and well-funded company thinks AmigaOS is worth acquiring.

.... I need more information about Garry Hare and KMOS ....

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