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Amigaworld.net News   Amigaworld.net News : Exclusive! Garry Hare Interview
   posted by DaveyD on 26-Mar-2004 13:56:03 (15293 reads)
Amigaworld.net has obtained a lengthy interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare. By way of introducing him to the wider Amiga community and to clear up some persistant long term queries. Garry has kindly offered to answer these questions and more.

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Zorro 
Re: Exclusive! Garry Hare Interview
Posted on 26-Mar-2004 18:51:43
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Great, really great...

Thanks for the interview to all involved and a BIG welcome to Garry Hare !


Good Luck...

Now, maybe, The AmigaOS has a fair guide... I strongly hope this.


PS - only one thing... he said that AmigaOS is "by definition cross-platform" : maybe he wrongly exchanged it for AmigaDE ?!??


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Yeah, I've just read the thread on ANN.

I've come to the conclusion that people on ANN don't read articles, court papers, or anything.

What they read are what other people post there, and then they assume it is true.

They are incapable of reading the supplied evidence, and making an opinion of their own. They feel that they have to stand up for their chosen side, be it red (Amiga Inc) or blue (Genesi) ... or the new greens (KMOS) heh!

Fact is, Amiga Inc haven't been great these past few years. Judging from supplied evidence though all they've done is not pay some people/companies because of money shortages, and I hope that if these shortages are over now that they will pay off their debts.

Fact is, Genesi appear to have a very dodgy past and future. They aren't paying their employees at the moment, and wait, no health insurance either ... and badly dated cheques, and lies! All very familiar, but in the eyes of the blue majority on ANN this is fine for their Chosen Company(tm), but not fine for the other company. Couple that with the Pretory/Thendic affair, bbrv's history of running companies, etc.

The ANN blueberries are still claiming that KMOS is merely a scam to get AmigaOS from Amiga Inc ... of course bPlan becoming Thendic and suddenly becoming Genesi isn't? Even though Pretory/Thendic France have all those fraud claims against them?

Double Standards ... great isn't it. And seeing the behaviour of some of the ANN moderators on their, all rooting against Amiga Inc favouring posters. Sickening. And they have the temerity to diss AmigaWorld.net! hahaha

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Posted on 26-Mar-2004 18:54:01
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Okay, having read that interview this is how I've understood the future plan for AmigaOS (please correct me if I am wrong)

Hyperion will remain business partners for the Amiga Operating System and will continue to develop the product beyond version 4.0. The desktop version of the Operating System is their responsibility, and any improvements required in the future will be carried out by them, possibly under the advisement and co-operationg of the KMOS staff.

KMOS are to take the Amiga Operating System and use it to their own end to suit their own customers. KMOS's customers do not necessarily share any common ground with Hyperion's, so basically KMOS's work on the Operating System is to suit an entirely different customer base.
I still haven't quite understood to what end KMOS intend to use the Amiga Operating System, other than it is to be used as a solution in some form of telecommunications product.

With this in mind, there will be two basic directions for AmigaOS. One sees development of the product as a desktop operating system which remains Hyperion's responsibilty. The other sees development of the Operating System to suit a different area of computing with a different kind of customer. Any mutual benefit from the development of the Operating System in either of these directions will of course benefit the other, but basically the directions that each of these solutions will take is different.

Of course, KMOS and Garry Hare (wow I remembered to spell his name properly) respect the need for a desktop operating system in the Amiga Community and even show a positive interest in using it, but essentially their end goals differ to ours and so whilst they will continue to support a desktop version of the Operating System it is not to be their main focus. Instead, Hyperion are to concentrate on this aspect of the Amiga Operating System's development with KMOS's backing and support.

Have I understood this correctly? Comments?

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Re: Exclusive! Garry Hare Interview
Posted on 26-Mar-2004 18:55:04
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@Zorro

No he meant AmigaOS.

/Bjrn

 
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Re: Exclusive! Garry Hare Interview
Posted on 26-Mar-2004 18:57:14
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Good interview!

Still does not explain what Fleecy has been talking about in the 'Ask Fleecy' column though

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Im more into DE really, but as far as OS4 goes, Im just happy there is progress at all! I too like the interview. The guy does seem down to earth and honest. IMO people being able to make fun of themselves usually are humble, however Im not that sure he knows what to do with AmigaOS. I mean he has hardly ever used an amiga. I understood the interview like he is going let other people deal with the development of the OS.
Anyway, still hoping, wish them the best!

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@BrianHoskins

Well - whilst what you have written seems to be a possibility we have yet to have any confirmation on the future direction of the Amiga with regards to the customers that KMOS is bringing to the table. IMO it would be unwise to completely split the product and I doubt that they will go down this route.


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@Steff

I really don't think there is anything that has been posted there that should give anyone concern to worry. This is a good first move for KMOS.


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I think its "cross-platform" as in across pda, settop box, phone, desktop platforms but all with ppc? Or ATX AOne / micro AOne.

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@ Orgin

Ok, maybe he meant 68k, ppc and the fact that OS4 now is almost all C written...

anyway I look forward for the new products... ehm... wait mode again...


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Posted on 26-Mar-2004 19:29:27
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I like this guys style. I like it a lot.

Right from when he dropped a sneaky little 'Business Card' comment early in the interview, I had a smile on my face. He has a sense of humour I can relate to.

I liked his answers & he answered a lot of things there. He doesn't pretend to be something he's not & even in the case wher he IS something he is, he doesn't make a meal of it. He's the kind of guy that lets the 'results' do the talking & I like that.

Thank you AW & thank you VERY much Mr. Hare.

FuZion.

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What a fantastic read! It should get an official title, for future reference many years hence - the "Garry Hare Interview of Renewed Optimism + 5" perhaps? Sorry - too many RPGs

I haven't lol'd properly for a long time - until I read Q2.8, paragraph 3 (where everyone is told to be quiet, and BB digs himself further into a hole...) - for Garry et al. it must have been one of those quality moments that you'll remember and cherish for ever

Good work AW.net; welcome KMOS!


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We know now that bbrv knew this not to be true.


Careful, don't rush to wild conclusions... you only know that Hare says BB knew it was not true, but for all that we know there might have been a misunderstanding, or maybe not. We'll never know.


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Thanks for taking the time Mr. Hare! This was a greatly needed boost and so well done.

Thanks also to DaveyD and the rest of the AmigaWorld.net team. Great questions nicely asked!

I need to also thank Bill McEwen et al for his (their) tenacity, courage and foresight bringing Hyperion, Eyetech and now Garry Hare into the mix. Truly, an amazing saga!

I was delighted to read Garry Hare's intention to vigorously support developers and the critical need to have a desktop suite that will allow the Amiga to fit nicely in any office/home setting with the ?fancy? software to quickly follow.


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@falemagn

Quote:
Careful, don't rush to wild conclusions... you only know that Hare says BB knew it was not true, but for all that we know there might have been a misunderstanding, or maybe not. We'll never know.



I guess its a case of Garry's word against Bill's then. *Smirks*

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Yay!

This was a really interesting read. I'm impressed. And his answers make a lot of sense, IMHO.

I too couldn't help but let out a few chuckles as I read it. And I now have another one of those silly grins that probably won't go away for a few days.

Mr. Hare strikes me as a kind of person I wouldn't mind doing business with, or working for. He seems clever, realistic and also comes with a sense of humour. Judging from the interview, I personally think he deserves our respect. At least he has mine, for the time being. As for my trust, well, we'll see in a year from now if he's earned it. I have a sneaking suspicion he might.


And to Mr. Hare, a big thanks for speaking up and erasing many of the question marks surrounding the current situation. And, of course, a big, big welcome to the Amiga Community! Best of luck in the future!


Finally, thanks to AW for providing us with this opportunity!


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Vir 
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Posted on 26-Mar-2004 20:17:19
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One point, which I think I'll also send Garry Hare an email about :

Quote:
If, for example, a company was selling a product based on IP without benefit of a signed distribution agreement, you can just sit back a while and let them sell it. A little later in the process you might want to contact them and say, "hey, I think you owe me a little money".


Not the best of ideas. If you haven't acted to stop the infringement, the court might afford you less damages.

Of course, you could let the company get far enough along in their development, so that it would be cheaper for them to get a license from you than to rip your IP out of their product. Still, a questionable way to handle your IP rights.

BTW expect to have that quote used against you


Other points:
The lawsuit:
IanaL
I agree that it was a bit strange not to face up to the court case. Amiga Inc. could have successfully argued that extending the contract to non-PocketPC devices was not reasonable as meant in the contract. That was the main point of the case, and could have been established if they had lawyers.
They almost deserved to be ruled against after wasting the court's time like that, IMHO. AmigaDE on PPC Linux: not the worst of judgements.
Of course, with the Thendic/Genesi/etc. relationship, the possible misleading of the court and all the rest, that ruling could turn out to have no effect.

Cards:
OK, he gave out low quality mock-up business cards, but he made it clear to everybody who got them that he was NOT the CEO om Amiga Inc. Woe be him for not knowing BBRV. Of course, I have no absolute way of knowing who is telling the truth.

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Back from ANN now...major brainache...seriously, I was expecting some stupidity, but the accusation of "identity theft" caught me by surprise.

How someone can, on one hand, see no significant ethical problems with Buck's actions over the past couple of years, and on the other hand scream murder over someone handing out inaccurate business cards to a handful of people he knows (while pointing out the inaccuracy), just goes to show what a novel fruit the human mind truly is.

Hi Vir!

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I checked ANN first, then just had to pop by here and read it all before even considering reading any more comments.

Now that I HAVE read it, I just can't get myself to go back for the rest of those comments. My god, some people are just way out of touch with reality.

About the Business card card business: Right now I am willing to take Garrys word for it. His explanation that Bill Buck was lying somehow just sounds right in my ears. It's all so strange how that works once you've heard enough BS from the BB

To Garry Hare:
Good luck, you're gonna need it.
And DE for OS4 would be very welcome here, indeed almost as welcome as OS4 (hint, bloody hint hint )...


Edit:
Oh, just had to sneak something OT in here:
@Vir:
Excellent avatar, man


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A most interesting introduction to our new leader I must say. Thanks to those involved for making it happen.

So far, I like the decisions that have been made. KMOS is defending its IP, working with a customer focus, getting to know their new partners and providing this interview.

If KMOS can enable the successfully delivery of some products then I think the community will finally start rebounding and being constructive again. Until then, I'm afraid the infighting will only intensify. I see the usual suspects on other sites have already started frothing at the mouth... [sigh]


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