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WOW! (did Elbox get tired of waiting for AOS4.0 final release

WOW. What an inapropriate comment. Thanks, I always appreciate such nice comments.

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mhhh!!! honestly, i can't understand why people are doing comparision from this new product and AOne/AOs4!?!

Are different projects, with different targets.

Good luck to Elbox . . . seen the thousands of great products already produced and sold in theese years.

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Eh, what a waste again...

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This is great! I must have one!

I'm getting one aswell. Absolutely.

I also don't understand why people comparise this with bad news for OS 4. The reason for the Dragon is simply giving the A1200 an enourmous speed boost. The demand for BlizzardPPC's is still high and not just for getting OS 4. If they indeed are able to put this into production at the end of january 2005 they have completely negated the use for a BlizzardPPC. There is an enourmous amount of software for 68K and still being developed. The WarpOS and WarpUp routes were succesfull for launching a PPC OS 4 and going into the future.

It never did anything to people that just want their old Amiga 1200 running faster and better. This solution will and is very promising at that. There is finally a new and much better answer to a BlizzardPPC combined with a GRex and much less costly. I applaud this and hope they do well.

And again. If you don't see the reason for this product and only see this as something interfering with OS 4 and the A1 then you just don't understand why.

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Nice product indeed. Hopefully expandable with CPU, if not still cool.
But end price is what inc. tax+neccessary modules? Doubt it will steal money from a1 sales.

400euro for the board.
50euro for A1200.
50euro for memory.
100euro for various pci-cards.
200euros+ for a possible ppc upgrade card?

So not a cheaper solution than a1... if you compare it with that...but atm, it shouldn't be!

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Interesting. So then current 68k apps including the OS (3.9) just run "natively" at an accellerated speed without any modifcations?

I realize OS4 is not even an option for this at least for the time being which makes this much less interesting to me and obviously any PPC apps written for WarpUp/PowerUp can't run because well this isn't at PPC processor but in theory, how does the speed of this acellerator compare to the PPC 200 mhz blizzards?

I am not quite sure I really understand the point of this but interesting nonetheless.

This is cool, but i also think this is the wrong path to go. It will probably just split the amiga market even more.

If this had been built 10 years ago it might have been a massive success and maybe even saved the Amiga.

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Could be an interresting upgrade path for those diehards that doesn't think of the A1 as 'the real macoy' or simply those who can't affort an A1 mobo.

Except you'll be stuck at OS3.9 making the whole thing a bit pointless

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There is an enourmous amount of software for 68K and still being developed.

Yes there is a lot of really old software - but new stuff? I don't see many killer apps on 68K horizon anymore.

This is a crazy product - I would love to see it in use but commercially it is utterly insane. Elbox still rock for building it though!

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I Think this move from Elbox is no sense. At least if it have PPC...

That they must to show is teh SharkPPC for Mediator.

@Origin

It's there to lure Don Cox into buying it

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You people are still missing the point of this little gimmick.

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Pagestream is still 68K for instance and also AWeb.

If Mozilla ever makes it to Amiga then a 68K compile( which will happen without a doubt) will run nicely. Same goes for OpenOffice.

There are still plenty 68K versions around of PPC software. For instance the Linux filesystem thingy.

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Pagestream is still 68K for instance and also AWeb.

What makes you thinking that this thinggy will execute 68k apps faster than a strong PowerPC? (And I mean strong, not a 603/160MHz.) Especially that it does require some sort of emulation of the missing opcodes.

I think 68k and compatible processors has a nice past, but has absolutely no future. Not to mention the hack-o-matic factor what this stuff is adding into your system. Don't get me wrong, I have an A1200 in a tower case, a Mediator, a BlizzardPPC and a few PCI cards. I like the old hardware but once it will simply fail to work. It is sooo shaky...

Besides I rather look into the future, not into the past. (Hehe, funny, yes, I made an emulator for the old stuffs, but hey! this is part of the plan... )

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You people are still missing the point of this little gimmick.

Hey, I'm with you

Dragon is just a neat uppgrade to those who want to still use their classic Amiga hardware even if they have bought AmigaOnes. It is exciting enough to lure people who have left the community (but might have their old Amigas stored somewhere) to look at Amiga again. Some of them might even end up returning into scene. If we can keep people interested in using their Amigas (old and new) chances are they end up being OS4 customers sooner or later.

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Yep. that's right - I have certainly missed the point.

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So then current 68k apps including the OS (3.9) just run "natively" at an accellerated speed without any modifcations?

There are a few issues, although I am not sufficiently confident about ColdFire. The ColdFire chip does not implement the entire 68k instruction set. A lot of them need to be emulated. This was also the case for the 68060 (mostly the FPU instructions), but in this case a program like CyberPatcher or OxyPatcher could actually fit a subroutine call into the command words. With most of the missing instructions on the coldfire, this might not be possible (because it affects .b and .w variants AFAIK). The result would be that either there is some sort of JIT emulation, or a time-intensive exception.

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Gimmick all right! Wasn't there some lone developer that wasalso making a coldfire card?

Considering the dramas Apple had with Motorola making G4s, why rely on them making faster Coldfires?

Will Elbox sell enough of them to justify the cost of making them? And has anybody *seen* a prototype board, especially since they are so close to production?

I think its pretty risky basing their new board on what is now 12 year old hardware. There is only a finite supply of 1200 motherboards and the appropriate cases, plus trying to find 3.1 ROMs for those 1200s that have not been upgraded.

As others have said, a few years ago this would have been a killer product that would have saved a lot of people switching to PC/Mac/Linux. But the horse has bolted, and those that are left (as evident on this forum) seem to be firmly behind A1/OS4.