@Dungeon
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... uh. ... uh ... STUPID PEOPLE SHOULDN'T USE COMPUTERS! LIN-UX LIN-UX LIN-UX! WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT NOW WATCH AS I RECOMPILE MY KERNEL HUGLAGHAGLHUHGHGLHL

Dork!

Actually, that's sad but pretty true. As much as I miss 'the old days' with home computing, (incl Amigas of course!), I miss 'the old days' of Linux as well, and even of the pre-commercial Internet., when email actually _was_ wanted

Of course, the same 'l33t' dorks that DO say crap like above generally aren't much more capable than typing 'make' or 'configure'.....but sure _act_ like they have a clue. *sigh*

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@Ryu
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I dont know about amigaworld but over the past 2 days intuitionbase has seen a tripple fold increase in the number of hits and page views, almost quadrupple on pageviews..

Probably because that ARS review has a link to intuitionbase

@wegster
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Myself, I'd love to know the jump in stats for AW.net over the past few days

This month so far has been a very good month, we are often getting 8000 to 9000 visits a day this month

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@kindergip

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Linux users and their comments leave me cold at the best of times.

Less of the generalizations, if you don't mind. I'm a Linux user.

Not all Linux users are rabid, foam-mouthed biggots. Linux just happens to fit my requirements better than any other operating system at the moment. It doesn't mean that I'm not constantly looking for something better - because I am.

The reason why I also use AmigaOS is because it's just so much more fun than Linux. Linux gets the work done, but I have an unreasonable amount of affection for AmigaOS.

I'm looking forward to the day that I can replace Linux with something that is more fun, something that is loveable. I would like that to be AmigaOS. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

Cheers,
Rich

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@DaveP

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http://amigaworld.net/webstat/usage_200501.html

Linux campers may dislike aw.net?s high Windows NT 5.x OS agents....
Aw.net is practically a Windows NT 5.x camp.

It seems related to the recent RDesktop GUI OS4.0 edition?s positive responses.

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I believe one problem with Slashdot is its moderation system. Many anonymous people know how to stir up a lot of trouble there. And some people with fake/mulitple accounts can get moderator access and Slashdot simply has too many abusing users to properly monitor this abuse.

The Dutch Tweakers.net in many regards is similiar to Slashdot, as they also receive huge amounts of traffic (Karma, user moderation, etc), but as the required account registrations are better monitored for abuse there is almost next to no trolling at all.

@DaveyD

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Probably because that ARS review has a link to intuitionbase

Well duh..

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@Hammer

What are you talking about?

1 828633 10.73% IBrowse/2.3 (AmigaOS V51)
2 585830 7.58% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gec

?????

Its an IBrowse camp if anything.

Dave.

You have to know how to use /. Use the news for links to interesting stuff. Use the comments for entertainment value only.... kinda like talk radio

/. reactions to Amiga stories fall into four types.

1. It's dead, why are you wasting our time.

2. I used to have one back in the Elder Days.... sigh.... lost love.....

3. So what. it's too expensive, it'll never replace windows or even mac... (like linux will!)

4. It was the first to have "feature X" followed by the response: No, the Felgercarb 9000 (5 of which were sold in 1982) had that long before the Amiga

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@billt
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Really, why did you bother. You know we're not welcome there...

I don't think it is all that bad. Besides, they hate everything and remind me of those two old critics from the Muppet Show (Statler and Waldorf) if you know the reference.

Seriously, any publicity is good publicity but it is a little premature to try and gain exposure right now with an unfinished product. Hype is the last thing a lot of these guys want to hear and that is exactly what we are giving them with an unfinished product.

It certainly does show the power of the Amiga brand though. All you have to do is mention the word 'Amiga' in a computing context and emotions start to flow. I know a lot of purists think the brand is dead or whatever but then I see reactions on Slashdot and other non-Amiga forums and it proves the opposite is true. And I certainly don't see any negative stigma attached to the brand as many have claimed has happened. Everytime I've seen Amiga mentioned outside our little group I've heard "Aren't they dead?" responses and not "I hate them because they took over 2 years to get me this stinkin' t-shirt." responses.

Ben Hermans was correct that we only get one chance to make a first impression but the impression is on the non-Amiga crowd, not us. Let's hold back from Slashdot, etc. until OS4 is shipping.

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@ all

How about we rename Slashdot.org....

Slagdot.org sound's ok to me



wol...

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@MikeB

trouble is its in dutch !!

@all

we could just adopt the atttitude of fans of Millwall FC (and its the only thing I like about em) which is to sing "No likes us we dont care !"

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I wonder what will happen to the Linux X86ers out there when the PPC starts to really pass up the x86 which has its ties to old legasy technology? As the PPC starts to really get used in game consoles and such, the price of it will go down. Perhaps that is when we should start shouting from the roof tops as all the x86 users start to jump the sinking ship! Perhaps it should have been mentioned that it will also run PPC Linux and MOL for the Mac fans. I don't see how many of the comments could be objective when none of them actually tried OS4 out first hand which is the only true way of knowing the benifits of OS 4. I almost wanted to post a link to one of the videos of OS 4 running at blazing speed, but they probably would have thought we speeded it up somehow. I never really liked the Mac idea of running with Linux as the base. Don't get me wrong, but I feel that Amiga OS is going in a better direction. Linux is best at being Linux. Amiga is best at being Amiga.

@JimS

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You have to know how to use /. Use the news for links to interesting stuff. Use the comments for entertainment value only.... kinda like talk radio

I couldn't have put it better my self

Speaking of entertainment via internet. I need to go study for exams instead of surfing

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@DaveP
What about aggregated OS agent count ( i.e. ignore different NT 5.x browsers)?

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2 585830 7.58% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gec

That's only WIn32 Firefox browser...

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@Agafaster
Seems Millwall fans have same attitude as Brondby fans in Denmark. maybe I should mention that we're not hooligans (at least not all of us).
One of our slogans is roughly translated "Everyone hates us, we don't care" ( In Danish: Alle hader os - hva' faen gør det!) www.allehaderos.dk

@All
The typical Slashdot reaction on Amiga news has been the same for years and..... I don't care. At this point I see any publicity as good publicity.

Btw: The story also made it to www.newz.dk a Danish news site where it gets some nice comments although people complain about the price:)

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wonder what will happen to the Linux X86ers out there when the PPC starts to really pass up the x86 which has its ties to old legasy technology?

Both ISAs are tied to their respective "legacy software"(1).

Reference.
1. http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/news/2004/0213_powerpc.html
East Fishkill, NY, February 13, 2004

As for X86's legacy, the migration is for X64 i.e. jettison of X86-16. This follows Pentium Pro?s targets for compromising X86-16 code base. Modern X86 processors doesn?t directly execute X86 legacy code i.e. X86?s variable length instructions gets translated to fix length internal RISC style instructions. All the X86 vendors (e.g. AMD, Intel, VIA***, Transmeta) guards their internal RISC style ISA secretly. X86 is merely treated as a byte code for the P6/P15/K7/K8/K6 post-RISC cores.

According market search by Gardner, PC desktop sales has grown approximately 12 percent in 2004 i.e. the total USA and EU unit sales numbered ~120 million units (about 60 million for each of the superstates). IF the growth rate is reduced to 6 percent for desktop PC sales in 2005 (unlikely in 2005 due to X64 hype**) i.e. 6 percent of 120 million is 7.2 million units growth. The cruncher is PC Laptop sales i.e. ~40 percent growth (and increasing) in 2004. Around 2004-2005, it's estimated about 220 million corporate PC will be replaced. Judging from the past 2004 performance; this estimate is reachable.

PS; As embedded processor*; PPC (+46million) is behind MIPS(+140 million) and ARM (this thing just dominates i.e.+725million per year) based ISA.

*Processors that has the sufficient processing performance for desktop; not 8/16bit micro-controllers.
**Windows 95/NT4.0 style switch via Microsoft's Windows XP X64.
***Modern VIA C3s has decoupled design but implementation is just simply below par (from a desktop performance view point).

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As the PPC starts to really get used in game consoles and such, the price of it will go down.

PPC embedded unit sales already out numbered the proposed consoles sales (using historical XBOX/PS2/GB per year sales data).

The economic scale is for both main board and CPU. With PPC divided like 68K market, they can?t match the mono-ecosystem** of X86 world.

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Perhaps that is when we should start shouting from the roof tops as all the x86 users start to jump the sinking ship!

Be realistic, market data suggest otherwise.

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The computer+OS is just a way to manipulate art, and speed up math;
There is no reason Amiga can't be the most enjoyable, and least problematic
combo available for the end-user. This 'fun' offsets a higher initial cost, and
even that cost will probably lessen with time, as PPC gains in the mindset
of the public. Minimac will speed this process up some. Once Amigas are
readily available, so that friends and neighbors who cannot tolerate windoze
any longer, can actually place a Fed-Ex order and have one tomorrow...then the
Amiga will thrive. There is a fabulous blonde megababe in my town, who has
an emerald green Jaguar convertible...every spring, the top comes down on
sunny days, and off she drives, leaving a trail of drooling male pedestrians...
does she care that millions of others get by with mere Fords and Toyotas?
I bet the thought never even crosses her mind...she's having FUN, just off to
the Starbucks, and work. Windoze is no fun. Linux is grudgingly satisfying
once you've rtfm over and over, and I never used any mac, so no opinion there,
but Amiga has the potential to be the top-down-Jag-of-FUN computer. And
what price is too high for that? Time will tell....

....hmmm I wonder if Jaguar ever sent her a T-shirt?

LOL 8')