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Internet News   Internet News : AmigaOne/AOS4 on Slashdot.org
   posted by wegster on 19-Jan-2005 22:38:42 (7231 reads)
Looks like the Ars review spurred someone to post to Slashdot...so yet another round on Slashdot of the AmigaOnes and AOS4. Enjoy.

Update: Also the popular Dutch Tech portal Tweakers.net is now covering the Ars Technica review.
    

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EntilZha 
Re: AmigaOne/AOS4 on Slashdot.org
Posted on 21-Jan-2005 1:28:51
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Re: AmigaOne/AOS4 on Slashdot.org
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I wonder what will happen to the Linux X86ers out there when the PPC starts to really pass up the x86 which has its ties to old legasy technology?


Umm, nothing? Linux runs on more architectures than likely any other OS at this, with versions for embedded processors of many kinds, as well as supporting 64 bit computing I believe before Apple, and certainly before Windows (hah, anyone have 64 bit Windows?

Not so surprisingly, it also runs just fine on PPC, SPARC, classic Amigas and 68k, and others....

Please don't equate Linux users with x86, as there's really little 'resemblance' any longer, aside from the first system Linux was developed and run on, yes, was x86. There's very likely as many AMD chips sold to Linux users than Intel. PPC will grow, if manufacturers decide to offer usable boards and/or systems that are comparitively priced, or even a bit more, IF they can perform as well as the other options for things like web servers, databases, application servers, Java performance, and development. Until then, aside from the relatively lower power consumption of _last_ gen PPC chips (which don't benchmark well at their lower speeds) for companies running datacenters....there isn't much of a real need, at least not at the current prices vs performance (Apple). Before I get slammed for that one...I think the mini is cool, and reasonably priced....but it's not exactly something I'm going to go and spec out for my company to order 20 of them to put into a HPC farm in a rack, either...


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Re: AmigaOne/AOS4 on Slashdot.org
Posted on 21-Jan-2005 2:17:45
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IMO many of the Slashdot vocals are against anything that may some day rival Linux. However next to some of the shout happy people there are also many readers with far more moderate viewpoints and don't take all the repetitive shouting all too seriously.


Keep in mind that the average slashdot poser isn't even old enough to have seen an Amiga in action. The slashbots just chant the same mantras again and again, be it "Macs cost too much", or "Amiga is dead, who cares".



OSX: Linux for the rest of them. Wonder how that would fly on /.?

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trouble is its in dutch !!


Yes, but a very high quality and popular one too.

BTW, although most non-Dutch Amigans do not really know Tweakers.net, many who have contributed to the Amiga RC5 Team effort (/Distributed Amiga) will have noticed the top performing "Dutch Power Cows" team and that's actually the Tweakers.net team effort, which performed more than twice as good as the Slashdot.org team effort!

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Posted on 21-Jan-2005 9:38:24
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Check this out

Voice of Reason

A very good reply, shame the writer decided to remain unknown


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@GrumpyOldMan

Wow - that's a great mini-article!

Even I, as a long-term Amiga owner, didn't know that some of that stuff was possible!

What the system really needs is a way to link applications through AREXX without having to code anything - perhaps using a graphical interface to select the data items and actions?


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Less of the generalizations, if you don't mind. I'm a Linux user.
...
Linux just happens to fit my requirements better than any other operating system at the moment.

There is some misunderstanding because we don't give the same meaning to "linux user".
For me you are not a linux user because you use it only because you are forced to do it (there are stuff that is not yet available on OS4).
So you are an Amigan! Welcome


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I knew I should've spent more time playing with AREXX !

aside: is this still 68k on OS4, or is there a chance of a PPC recompile / port ?


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@Chunder

Thats not really possible since any application can have any arbitary set of ARexx commands and deal with any kind of data.

OTOH, ARexx is pretty simple to learn as it is anyway.


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is this still 68k on OS4

Still 68k. When H&P tried to PPC-ize it, it didn't work.
And it's a lot of work to port it. Maybe we should better write a new one.


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Still 68k. When H&P tried to PPC-ize it, it didn't work.
And it's a lot of work to port it. Maybe we should better write a new one.


Anyone know if SHEEP is still being considered? We'll definitely need a PPC native script language at some point or another.

@xeron

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What the system really needs is a way to link applications through AREXX without having to code anything - perhaps using a graphical interface to select the data items and actions?

Thats not really possible since any application can have any arbitary set of ARexx commands and deal with any kind of data.


How feasible would it be to have a system like ARexx, but where applications broadcast their capabilities? I suppose it could be done in some kind of object-orientated framework - ie the application has externally visible objects of various types. Perhaps a few "standard" objects (ie all applications that load plaintext would have a standard object so other programs interfacing with it don't need to know the name of the object/port). A visual editor would be great IMO - you would open a window with all scripting-enabled programs represented as boxes, then you'd be able to drag lines between the to connect them. I can see that there could be security issues with such an all-pervasive system though...


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Posted on 22-Jan-2005 16:08:26
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I was actually relieved by the responses that were modded up. I haven't read all the Score:1 posts. I expect there was plenty of dross.

There was one post, which was in response to someone who said the OS 4 should've been based on BSD. It was a really intelligent, reasoned response and other poster admitted their error in not researching the AmigaOS. A rare thing.

Chris

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Still 68k. When H&P tried to PPC-ize it, it didn't work.
And it's a lot of work to port it. Maybe we should better write a new one


How about Regina, the Rexx clone that Aros uses?


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Posted on 24-Jan-2005 22:25:07
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Linux users are the most anti Amiga ppl out there


HEY!

I'm a Linux user!

(I don't even have Windows installed at WORK. I use rdesktop either from Linux or the AmigaOne (yep, it's still in my office ) when I need to do something that requires Windows...)


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@Samface:

The fact that you posted three smileys and you HAVE IN FACT EDITED YOUR POST intrigues me somewhat

I guess I'm too tired to function in a real universe right now


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